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The fact that you deigned to publish this letter is absolutely pathetic.

A Voter

Agreed!

GayDem

This sort of gay-baiting is pretty low... but it is worth noting that it is legal for someone to be fired from their job in Virginia just for their PERCEIVED sexual orientation. I hope that all of the Republicans reading this and sharing my offense to it, will join me in supporting an employment non-discrimination law to protect people from job discrimination purely on the basis of their real (or perceived) sexual orientation.

Not Larry Sabato

We happen to think it's bizarre for staff to be out joshing with each other over sticker position. What is up with that?

NoVA-9

NLS, overall i just have to say it was a funny letter... but in all honesty Kilgore has been seen with worse thigns than gay supporters...

for example Karl Rove and his ethically challenged cronies...

Outside Observer

So we know that gays can be fired for perceived sexual orientation in Virginia...but it seems in this case they were HIRED for perceived sexual orientation. Way to go JK for showing that the Republicans do have a hint of compassion for their "compassionate conservatism." :)

not Bill Tuck

Well-it's happened. Publishing trash like that shows that Not Larry Sabato has officially jumped the shark.

jerry the duck

www.jerrytheduck.com

play the kilgore soundbite; has it not been obvious to everyone how effeminate Kilgore is?

Well, I guess Jerry Kilgore just lost Brad Marrs' support.

Well, I guess Jerry Kilgore just lost Brad Marrs' support.

NLS says -

We happen to think it's bizarre for staff to be out joshing with each other over sticker position. What is up with that?

Posted by: Not Larry Sabato | October 14, 2005 at 05:14 PM

So was NLS never young or in college or is he jealous or projecting?

plunge

Count me in as someone that finds this bizarre. Staff kidding around with each other? Uh... who cares? Given how stressful their jobs are, that's not so weird in an off-camera moment. Young, male staffers??! Heavens! I mean, it's not like young Republicans lean heavily male or anything...

As for Jerry being gay, I should put in that the only evidence outside of evidenceless rumors of relationships in Richmond seems to be his effeminate voice. Unfortunately, that's just not very good evidence: plenty of gay men have very deep voices, and plenty of straight men have girly voices. I'm far more disturbed by the seeming fact that they hired speech coaches to thicken his "Southern" accent to cover up the lisp than the fact that he lisps in the first place.

It's certainly not impossible that Kilgore could be another Shrock or a McGreevy, but there isn't any convincing evidence. And, more to the point... neither Shrock nor McGreevy had an effeminate voice.

Per Se

I can't tell you how disappointed I am in you NLS. You just flushed every shred of credibility you have down the toilet.

You're off my blogroll. Call it voting with the my keyboard.

Not Larry Sabato

I don't understand why people are so upset about this. We didn't even write it, it's an email we got but it's obviously interesting enough to get almost 20 comments on a Friday night...

NLS, it's funny, hang in there

Redbone

Speaking of gays....I suppose we can all expect 9th District Congressman Rick Boucher to rush to Jerry's side to, uh, 'comfort' him should he lose the election?

NLS, the letter isn't what's upsetting. We expect hyperbole, lies and innuendo from charged partisans. We just expected more and better from you. The letter itself is far less interesting than your "need" to publish it when you choose to publish so few others. It speaks more to your character than to the that of the letter's author. As your parents might say, "I'm not mad, I;m just disappointed in you."

tooconservative

Although we say what some wierd stuff on TC, posting this was inappropriate, and disrespectful

Not Larry Sabato

12:43 anonymous- We have published plenty of letters from the other side. This is interesting.

NLS - Your stripes are showing in that last post. Please, Sir, refresh our memory of what sexual innuendo and rumor letters from the other side (I assume you mean Kilgore)you have published. I can recall none and I read your blog daily.

Would you publish an unsubstantiated letter from "the other side" asserting that Kaine supporters were heard using the N-word several times? I think not. There is no difference and I say that as a gay man. Fess up, admit your error and stop wondering why your peculiar action has caused such concern, disgust and consternation.

Not Larry Sabato

Well, we apologize if anyone was offended, but we edited that letter to make it less offensive.

Last anon- The reason we published this, is this: If Kaine supporters are going to begin bringing this issue up, then we can not ignore it. The very fact that one very credible source is willing to step this far out in an email signals to us a new strategy.

That is absolutely news, agree?

Well the NLS, report on this letter in that very context. Don't just drop it out there like a little bomb because it certainly looks like you subscribe to and endorse the contents. If your concern is that the Kaine camp is in such despair that it is willing to spread such unsubstantiabed rumors via association, then say just that. Otherwise, your motives are rather suspect.

Not Larry Sabato

Good point anon- we put up an update. See you in the morning *Yawn*

"The reason we published this, is this: If Kaine supporters are going to begin bringing this issue up, then we can not ignore it." You didn't report that "Kaine supporters" were bringing it up, just that it was "from the mailbag." If I am a 'Kaine supporter' and I plan to "bring up" false allegations that Kilgore was a drug user, would you print that? By the way Ben, there is a big difference between "Kaine supporters" and "Kilgore supporters" and the actual campaigns.

Is it OK if I send you anonymous e-mails without evidence that say married people cheat. Perhaps I could say that an attractive person works for them and flirts therefore the candidate must cheat...

Is this more credible then when you published the "fact" that Delegate Callahan was near death and had "hours not days"? Last time I checked, Vince is still healthy.

Not Larry Sabato

We report on what is going on. That is nothing new, this is just a topic that people have been avoiding. But if Kaine supporters are raising it, then it's news.

A Regular Blogger is Anon. for this post

Okay, here's a little history lesson for people that may shed some light on this. I heard this AGES ago from someone now active at the national level of Republican politics.

This individual was doing opposition research in 1997 for one of Kilgore's primary opponents in the AG race. (That year Earley won the primary and went on to become AG.) This person was working for one of Jerry's other primary opponents. His job doing op-research on Jerry led him to visit Jerry's hometown. This is where the story is relevant.

This person told me that, in fact, EVERYONE in Jerry's hometown speaks the same way that he does. His words, "I thought that I had just walked into some gay enclave in the middle of Southwestern VA. Every man in the town sounds gay and is somewhat effeminate. But I discovered, for some odd reason, that is just the way they talk and act there and there is nothing sexual about it whatsoever."

So, take it for what you will, but those are the facts as were related to me by this op-researcher who I have known for years and put a lot of stock in his credibility.

not Bill Tuck

If your contention is that gay bashing is newsworthy because Kaine supporters are doint it, then you should state that in the update and not this ivory tower "publish without comment". By publishing you give it credence, and without offering a context you implicity back its veracity. One would think you would let the campaigns spread their rumors by themselves.

not Bill Tuck

If your contention is that gay bashing is newsworthy because Kaine supporters are doint it, then you should state that in the update and not this ivory tower "publish without comment". By publishing you give it credence, and without offering a context you implicity back its veracity. One would think you would let the campaigns spread their rumors by themselves.

not Bill Tuck

If your contention is that gay bashing is newsworthy because Kaine supporters are doint it, then you should state that in the update and not this ivory tower "publish without comment". By publishing you give it credence, and without offering a context you implicity back its veracity. One would think you would let the campaigns spread their rumors by themselves.

Everett W.

The letter is not interesting in the least. What is interesting (in the bad sense) is this site's decision to publish such garbage without editorial comment. I'm no fan of Kilgore by any stretch but the publishing of the letter is over the line.

Everett W.

The letter is not interesting in the least. What is interesting (in the bad sense) is this site's decision to publish such garbage without editorial comment. I'm no fan of Kilgore by any stretch but the publishing of the letter is over the line.

Outside Observer

I am surprised by the outrage over this! Aren't blogs supposed to be all about rumor-mongering? Isn't that why blogs are always ahead of the mainstream media on all the big stories? Get a grip people...I hope you were all outraged about the Kilgore campaign's baseless attack on Kaine's views on the death penalty and invoking "Hitler" into the debate.

Everett W.

The letter is not interesting in the least. What is interesting (in the bad sense) is this site's decision to publish such garbage without editorial comment. I'm no fan of Kilgore by any stretch but the publishing of the letter is over the line.

plunge

So now the "Kaine campaign" is somehow to blame? Can we please get back to some issues that actually MATTER, like whether the 2004 budget was good ro bad, and how we are going to fix our transportation woes? That's the only stuff that actually matters in a Governor's race, and it's only the Kilgore campaign's goofy DP and immigration detours that have so far pulled the debate in absurd directions. This isn't a direction worth going in either.

The Ghost of Tom Joad

I think it's funny as hell that someone is going to take NLS off their blogroll because of this...yeah...I'm sure they got a TON of traffic from you...hahahahahahahahaha!

Everett W.

Apologies for the post duplication. The last message took so long to load that it must have been duplicated in the process.

Simon

Just as a hypothetical.

If your wife were going to be away from you for days at a time in the company of four men, wouldn’t you want them to be gay?

notbilltuck

Ditto Everett W. comment as far as my multiple post this AM...

JRJT&PU

Does the number of outed members of George Allen's staff make him gay too?

TLM

Ever stop to think that maybe they were making fun of gays and trying to act gay, as in making light of someone else or purring each other down?? This is more the norm behavior I have observed from young male staffers on BOTH sides of the aisle. Don't you people ever listen to teens in the shopping mall??! Everybody does it, calling someone queer is the in putdown these days. Just look at past posing here! Give it a rest. Though I did meet Kilgore at the Fairfax Fair in June and when I shook his hand my gaydar bleeped. There is something there perhaps. Maybe we will get a NJ-style coming out in a few years...that alone would be worth a change in my vote.

lee

as a gay man in Virginia I can unequivically state (using my gaydar) that Kilgore is gay. Not only does he talk like Paul Lynde from the Hollywood Squares he walks like Nathan Lane in the Birdcage. He is definitely a Barbara loving, Bette listening, Madonna dancing Liza humming queen. Sorry, he's gay. He felt done from heaven and hit every gay branch on the tree and fell on a gay man....and did him.

mike

I agree, Kilgore is gay. He reminds me of the 70's stereotype of a gay man. Or more like the cowboy in the Village People-not that there is anything wrong with that-but sorry he's gay May

George Washington

I take exception to the comment about everyone in Kilgore's hometown talking like a gay person. We do not talk like JK because he most definitely is gay. He complains that people have been making fun of his "Southern Mountain" style of speech when in reality people make fun of him because he sounds like a girl. Real Scott County people do not sound anything like JK. Even his brother, Terry, doesn't sound like Jerry.

Gerry

I just saw this post after Q and O linked to it today.

"We didn't even write it, it's an email we got but it's obviously interesting enough to get almost 20 comments on a Friday night..."

No, you did not write it. You published it, 'without editorial comment.'

"I don't understand why people are so upset about this."

I am not sure which would be worse-- if you said this completely disingenuously, or if you said it with complete honesty. It is a close call.

Either way, it is really bad.

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