Shaun Kenney is Wrong (Again)

Here are the pictures overlayed in real size.

Shaun is wrong.

Comments

[lenny]

Ben, let it go. You know the Miller camp and the Republicans supporting him because he is the weaker candidate want this manufactured lie to drag on till Tues and be the center story. It is a strategy to divert attention from Miller's outsourcing activities which was the central thrust of the flier.

We should be focusing on GOTV for Webb.

[Jon Sheridan]

Lenny,

While canvassing: all the Miller supporters I have met have been Democrats.
Its the independents who are interested in Webb.

Who do you think is going to vote Tuesday?

I look at it this way:
I posted this at the bottom of the last thread. If NLSD wants to delete it, ok by me.

1. No one really believes Webb is an anti-Semite - even Sean Kenney I'm sure.

2. Everyone I speak with (I don't speak w/ staffers of either candidate) believes Webb has run a horrendous campaign.

3. The Webb bloggers have turned off a lot of people and have been mean-spirited and ridiculous all the way through.

4. Mr. Miller, although not a charismatic candidate by any means has shown guts, tenacity and the ability to run a professional campaign that jumps on his opponent and does not let go.

5. Mr. Webb has a much better profile to run against Allen, no question. However, all we have seen is the profile. Miserable campaign, a candidate who is not at half as many events/places as Miller, unschooled on the issues despite numerous interviews and appearances, and for someone who was presented as the most formidable candidate in years, an uncanny ability to not be able to raise money. Webb started with a great profile to run, and that is still all we have.

6. If Miller wins it's because they ran a much better campaign. Webb is deserving of a much better campaign.

7. If Miller wins, he will be a tough customer for Allen. I do not see him in any shape to be president because Miller will take the fight to him

8. If Webb wins. He needs to start traveling like he wants to win and quit with the amateur hour campaign.

9) Get Tough - Webb's staff needs to get tougher. Miller's staff has been put through the ringer and they have stood tall. They do not whine and they do not send bloggers on the web to whine. All the whining has been from Webb's people.

10) I am supporting the winner.

[lenny]

Jon Sheridan:

Actually, I've the totally opposite experience as you have. Also, the Independents are flocking in droves to Webb.

So who is Miller winning? People in his heaquarters? lol

[lenny]

Anon 3:41

Hi there Alice Marshall. Same wine, different bottle.

I'm heading out to get some votes for Webb. See ya.

I attended a Democratic meeting today within the state and it seemed that my local committee was overwhelmingly supportive of Miller. This was much to my suprise.

[Robert]

Is it true that the Webb campaign hired the chairman of the Franklin Democratic Committee, Joe Stanley, to design this cartoon? A friend of mine just called me and said he saw blog claiming this online. Is this true?

NLS and the Webb Bloggers. Keeping the story alive.

Alice, you got to mix it up a little. 1) You're not surprised and 2) Miller used to run the FCDC. So what, Webb crushed you in the straw poll there. Webb's going to get 62% in your Farifax County.

I figured it out. I watched the Debate again. Miller never fucking blinked. It was scary when I finally noticed it. The guy was on Ritalin or something. Is Miller too drugged up to represent Virginia?

[Robert]

I just checked out http://staffordpundit.blogspot.com. Are these cartoons real? They seem similar to the the cartoon that seems to not go away.

Cartoon is here: http://www.channelingreality.com/Cards/harris_miller.htm

[Jon Sheridan]

ok lenny,

Whatever you want to convince yourself of . . . I have many contacts through out the state, and have spent a considerable amount of time going door to door, and this has been my experience.

I believe they call it a bubble, this time it is a blogisphere bubble. 99% of reliable Dem voters do not follow all this crap on blogs. They do not even know who these guys are, but they have seen the TV, and they have gotten the fliers.

You are right about the independents, I have made the same point. It is why there is potential for Webb to be strong in the general (if his campaign could get its act together) But independents do not generally vote in low turnout primaries.

I personally am doing my best to convince people to vote Webb, but I do not feel any need to demonize Miller, or his supporters.

[Shaun Kenney]

You warped it until it fit?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

Disgusting Ben. Absolutely disgusting....

[Not Larry Sabato]

No Shaun, you just dont have the files sized correctly.

Scaling is fair, warping is not. Webb scales to the Democratic party fine. Trying to warp Miller into a Democrat fails.

[Shaun Kenney]

That's funny.

The originals came off of your website.

http://notlarrysabato.typepad.com/.shared/image.html?/photos/uncategorized/comparison_miller.jpg

You have some serious explaining to do.

[Not Larry Sabato]

Typepad sizes the file, I don't.

[Shaun Kenney]

They're JPGs, Ben.

TypePad doesn't alter the JPG format.

That's *your* graphic I used -- why doesn't it match the graphic you just used above???

[Not Larry Sabato]

Can you explain what doesn't match? This is a file I got directly from the artist.

[Not Larry Sabato]

and typepad does alter the jpgs to size it into the window.

Oh no, the horrors!

The nose has about a millimeter more of a bump. The ears are a little chubbier. And damn you, you anti-semite, there's a little fat bulge above the collar.

It's so good to see a Catholic come so vigorously to the defense of a Jewish man.

[kath]

Shaun: I have done a fair amount of work with the mathematics of linear transformations.

No warping occurs within the group of rigid body transformations. Those include scaling, translation and rotation.

I looked at your efforts, and was surprised to see that you have problems in all three areas.

Just a little free advice.

You should try to be objective when working with your data.

[Shaun Kenney]

OK.

Your first JPG has a picture of the cartoon and a picture of Miller.

http://notlarrysabato.typepad.com/.shared/image.html?/photos/uncategorized/comparison_miller.jpg

What I did was take out the white background and transposed the two. Hence my first graphic.

http://www.shaunkenney.com/images/comparison_miller_v2.jpg

You responded with the graphic above, where the red had been reduced to fit Miller's head:

http://notlarrysabato.typepad.com/.shared/image.html?/photos/uncategorized/miller_overlay.jpg

Just to be sure, I took your graphic and my transposed graphic, made them opaque, and transposed both.

http://www.shaunkenney.com/images/ben_changing_stuff.jpg

Then I compared it to the original:

http://www.shaunkenney.com/images/NLSvsSVK%20comparison.jpg

Something changed between your original graphic and the "Shaun is wrong" graphic, Ben.

What gives?

[Shaun Kenney]

TypePad does not alter the JPGs, but EVEN IF IT DID, it would have changed the picture of Miller in the same proportion as it changed the cartoon.

Hence, that is not a true statement.

Why was the cartoon warped to fit Miller's head?

[Not Larry Sabato]

The question is, does the red version overlay to the cartoon.

I deleted your middle comment Shaun, because it wasn't true (on that topic if you want to see more, you can email me).

[Shaun Kenney]

No -- the red version does not overlay to the cartoon.

That's the problem.

And I have no idea which of my comments you decided to delete, but that certainly doesn't help further the conversation here.

[Not Larry Sabato]

I don't see where there is a problem.

Harris goes down ugly.

[Not Frank Hargrove]

With great reservations, I went ahead and voted absentee for Webb. Having done that, I agree almost 100% with Mr or Ms Anon 3:41. Webb has run a crummy campaign, and Miller has been focused and tenacious. If Webb gets the nomination, he must do better than he has done in the last 3 months or he will get destroyed by George Allen. And he can certainly do without the negative and juvenile crap that has flowed from the bloggers. All of your comments have done no favors for Jim Webb, and I am sure they have generated quite a bit of sympathy for Mr. Miller.

Clearly, only Jews have noses and money, and by drawing them with no noses, you get a caricature of Michael Jackson. Much more satisfying.

http://img129.imageshack.us/img129/3408/miller5hi.jpg

[Lisa]

>>They do not whine and they do not send bloggers on the web to whine.>>

Obviously you haven't seen the Miller bloggers on Daily Kos.

What's funny is that people actually have time for this...who cares?

[Fan of Integrity]

How hard is it to look at the picture in ANY SIZE, to see that NLS's program rescaled it. It's the exact same friggin thing. But reality is hard for some to absorb. Go figure.
Win with Webb.

[Virginia Centrist]

6pm:

hahahahahha

[Thomas Paine Patriot]

The Miller overlay profile you and other bloggers have shown has nothing to do with the cartoon of Miller in the controversial Webb flyer.

The face on the cartoon flyer is a head on shot and it depicts Miller in the same vein as the bad guy in the Nazi propaganda cartoons that Stafford Pundit is featuring on his website.

You guys are nuts and once again trying to draw attention away from a BIG, probably fatal, mistake made by the Webb staff and volunteers.

If he wins, I'd fire all of you and tell the volunteers to scram.

1930s source for Miller slur found:
http://www.gonewiththeworld.com/images/hmiller2.gif

It also seems that the Webb superhero character looks awfully familiar to a character that Stafford Pundit is featuring on his website.

[Fan of Integrity]

If he wins, I'd fire all of you and tell the volunteers to scram.

Posted by: Thomas Paine Patriot | June 10, 2006 at 09:24 PM

With logic like that, it's no wonder you support Miller. Much luck to ya.

I think Harris Miller is the PERFECT candidate for the dems to put up against George Allen.

Not because he's such a great candidate.

But because George Allen will NOT be able to do any kind of cartoon or caricature of him - it is anti-semitic.

And George Allen won't be able to say a single word about the millions that he's made at the "expense" of the American worker - it is anti-semitic.

Geoge Allen won't be able to portray Miller as a "bad guy" - well, because that is anti-semitic too.

He's a perfect candidate because he is completely untouchable. Almost any criticism lobbed at him can be written off as anti-semitic.

Don't think so? Then explain EXACTLY what is anti-semitic about that cartoon.

Is it the big nose? Well, Harris Miller has a big-ish nose.

Is it the money? Well, Harris Miller has a lot of money.

Is it the implication that he didn't earn his money honorably? Well, lots of people think that about ANYBODY who works to outsource American jobs.

Is it that it exaggerates his nose? Well, I don't think it does, but in any case, since when are drawings of people done perfectly to scale? Is Jim Webb shaped exactly like he is portrayed, or is he altered to look like a superhero character?

I think the cartoon is stupid beyond belief. But not because of any religious undertones; it is just stupid on its face. It is as stupid as that cartoon Superman depiction in the governor's race.

Jim = Batman
Harris = Joker