Webb versus ????

From the comment section at Virginia Centrist:

From the Code of Virginia:

§ 24.2-539. Party may nominate when nominee dies, withdraws, or nomination is set aside; duty of party chairman.

Should the nominee of any party die, withdraw, or have his nomination set aside for any reason, the party may nominate to fill the vacancy in accordance with its own rules. A candidate who has been disqualified for failing to meet the filing requirements of Article 1 (§ 24.2-500 et seq.) of this chapter shall not be renominated. No party shall renominate any person whose nomination has been set aside for fraud knowingly participated in by the candidate. The party chairman or chairmen shall promptly certify the name of any such nominee to the appropriate electoral boards and the nominee shall promptly comply with the filing requirements of Article 1 of this chapter.

The GOP Central Committee is a very small group (less than half the size of the Democratic Central Committee).  Who is the early frontrunner for the nomination when George Allen withdraws?  Will any Republicans want to face Jim Webb in this national environment with 40 days to wage a campaign?  Because of federal money rules, the GOP will either need to nominate a sitting Congressman with federal money in the bank to run, or someone with huge statewide name recognition.  Jim Gilmore?  Eric Cantor?  Tom Davis?

Comments

[plunge]

Tom Davis could probably take Webb. He'd be my bet.

[Jim Gilmore for Senate]

Tom Davis is a liberal pantywag.

Jim Gilmore is a man of integrity and vision.

[lokiloki]

How about just throwing a sheet over some GOPster and letting him run?

Wouldn't be surprised if Allen still wins: after all, Virginia is for racists.

Lets hope he does not resign...lets hope he just twist slowly in the wind

[Jerry!!!!]

I HAVE NO DUTY TO YOU MR. WEBB

[lokiloki]

Didn't Kentukyians elect a deranged man who debated from a teleprompter or something last cycle? Not putting much stock in Virginians to make the right choice.

Jerry is the man! Kilgore in 04... make that 06.

[FAS]

Kilgore's great.

[FAS]

If it's Kilgore vs. Webb, I'm voting Kilgore.

If it's Allen vs. Webb, I'm voting Webb.

I'd rather have a Republican than a Democrat, but I'd also rather have a non-racist than a racist.

[plunge]

lokiloki, go sit on a rusty rake.

Virginia is not a racist state. We're one of the most integrated states in the union. We had the first and STILL the only black Governor. It's precisely because we aren't a racist state and because we're tired of being called one that George Allen is proving to be such an embarrasment.

[FAS]

Oops. Replace "Kilgore" with "Gilmore." As in the former governor. LOL.

[Bacchus]

Aren't we getting a bit ahead of ourselves on the withdrawal bit?

[Dannyboy]

Allen isn't dropping out, guys. Plus, nobody is suicidal enough to take up a race with less than 40 days left.

[Doug]

Thank you plunge- awesome comment. That's right on and its what infuriates me about Allen. I've lived in VA all my life and have known people like Allen. They disgust me, but only for a bit, because I dissassociate from them. Not so easy when he's your Senator.

[Living4Him]

Davis would do well in the south. Down here nova Rinos are not looked upon with a good light.

Does the DNC still like Robert KKK Byrd?

[Doug]

Tom Delay is a legal Virginia resident now, no?

P. B. S. Pinchback of Louisiana was the first black governor.

Gilmore all the way.

[Doug]

HON. P. B. S. PINCHBACK OF LOUISIANA
Lieutenant-Governor 1871-72, and afterward Congressman

Lieutenant-Governor

http://docsouth.unc.edu/washeducation/ill4.html

I'm no Allen fan, but I don't thnk he's going to withdraw from this election. With millions in the bank, six weeks to go, he's got to think he has a chance to win. The guy is a career politician and is not going to leave this field voluntarily. While, realistically, the dream of being President is probably over for him, he's going to have a hard time on giving up on that possibility as well. I'm a big Webb fan and hope he wins. But, for Jim Webb, getting to the Senate means going through George Allen. I think Jim is up to that job.

governor:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P._B._S._Pinchback

[Felix Macacawitz]

I'm a history buff. The only governor of Virginia who ate turtles was Doug Wilder.

[Doug]

ah, hmm.. not elected Governor. Ok, but Wilder is the one and only ever elected.

Not trying to split hairs, just pointing out that there is a difference.

Heck, we got to import our crackers from California.

Republitarian!

[Newport News Dem]

I'm looking for a job.....

[Dannyboy]

Republicans should nominate the deer head.

[Not Ken Plum]

"WHEN George Allen withdraws"? Come on, NLS, this is ridiculous. Unless there's photographic evidence of, say, Allen burning a cross or something, he's not going to drop out. He'll stay in, and it will be close.

They'd have to get out a quick mass mailing.

[Jim]

All this negative campaiging is not good for us democrats. Senator Allen is not going to withdraw. He will just deny the "n" word. As I said before, Jerry Kilgore went negative and he lost the election.

[Virginia Centrist]

I'm sorry Jim, but where is the Webb campaign going negative?

I thought it was just NLS and myself...

[Bruce]

What are you smoking? I can't believe it's legal.

Webb is more likely to withdraw over his lack of fundraising and his anti-women comments than Allen is over baseless accusations.

[Doug]

hahahahahhaha- whew, Bruce you crack me up.

Black is white. I don't care if Webb has pulled in the million he needs to fight effectively in Sept. alone- let's talk about this one issue that the Allen campaign ginned up and actually staged that went away faster than Bubby does with Not Pam shows up.

As Webb said last Monday "nice try, George".

Well, we got the crackers. Oh look! Bruce has brought the whine.

[LAS]

Jim, as for the negative campaigning, please note the difference between Webb and Kilgore.

The many, many death penalty ads we saw last year? Paid for by Kilgore. The mailings? Ditto. Even the mailings supposedly from the Potts campaign came from Kilgore's people, although they may have had a "Friends of.." tag on them.

In any case, there are NO Allen-is-a-racist ads that I'm aware of, are there? It's all in the press and on some of the blogs.

[JPTERP]

In 2010 Allen will still be running for the 2008 presidency. Part of Allen's 2008 presidential fantasy involves running as Senator in 2006. So no, there's no chance that Allen will withdraw.

[Not John S. Mosby]

I'm sorry, but when did Jim Gilmore become at all popular again? The last we saw of him, he was getting booted from his paid Republican job and was getting shown up my Mark Warner when Warner was fixing all of the crap with Commonwealth finances that Gilmore created with the "No Car Tax" pledge.

Davis running means Andrew Hurst becomse a Representative by beating Tom's wife, "Double D Jean Marie", in the congressional election. Davis gets beaten by Webb because Davis isn't conservative enough to get the evangelicals below the Grit Line to come out and vote for him. Of course, then Tom and DoubleD start a top-notch technology lobbying firm, make millions but eventually end up in the first Federal coed, mimimum security but no conjugals prison for making illegal campaign contributions or something.

Eric Cantor, he's and idiot and nobody north of the Grit Line has ever heard of him.

[Dannyboy]

I still don't think Allen will withdraw. It's a possibility, but seems really like a last resort kind of thing. I mean, the resulting candidate would have practically no money, and very little name rec. Plus, and Allen withdrawal would be a moral defeat for Republicans, reducing turn-out everywhere. I hate to say it, but the GOP appears to be stuck with Allen this time. The best they can hope for is that Virginia is red enough not to care, which is a very real possibility. Had this happened in July...well, then maybe it's a different story.

P.S. I think Webb is doing the right thing by keeping his mouth shut on Allen's new controversy.

[Matt]

Yes...but I think Eric Cantor would at least admit he was jewish...ba dum ching.....

[ifthethunderdontgetya]

I like the turtles. And we already had Bambi.

So duckies are next?

Yippee!

no way davis would run. a) he wouldn't give up his house seat and turn it over to the dems. b) aren't he and webb close? i think they go back a long way.

[TMU]

Allen's not going anywhere. It's amusing to contemplate, but it would take a videotape of him uttering the n-word WHILE stuffing the deer's head in the mailbox to get him out of the race.

[Harry Landers]

If Senator Allen melts down, Jim Gilmore is my prediction for the stand-in. Neither Tom Davis nor Eric Cantor would get involved at this late stage and risk their relatively safe congressional seats. Gilmore? What's he got to lose?

[Not a concern troll]

Boy, all you liberals are going to look pretty silly when Allen reveals that his mom is black too.

What do you all have against black people anyway?

[ifthethunderdontgetya]

http://www.graviton.demon.co.uk/Birds/Mallard%20ducklings%203751.jpg

http://www.sfondideldesktop.com/Images-Animals/Turtle/Common-Snapping-Turtle-/Common-Snapping-Turtle-.Jpg

This whole campaign against Allen is why I can never vote Democrat. Where are the issues that matter to me?

I don't care if called some blacks a NIGGER or not. Blacks call each other NIGGERS.

Let's deal with real issues please. If you can win on them. Shut Up!

[Dannyboy]

....
Holy shit, anon 5:38.

[TMU]

Anon 5:38:

I don't know how you find the time away from your main job -- editing the editorial page of the Washington Times.

Either that, or Mr. Wadhams himself has graced us with his presence.

The issues that matter to you:

1. Loosening restrictions on lynching?
2. Equal time for dumb guys on Jeopardy?
3. Mandatory Confederate flag underwear?

The mind boggles.

[Doug]

This is why John Rocker should not blog.

[Not Tom Davis]

Damnit, I knew I should have run back when Abramoff was still on the loose.

[TMU]

John Rocker is Kofi Annan next to THAT guy.

[ifthethunderdontgetya]

OK here's your candidate, Republicans (don't say I never helped you when you were in need):

Ricky Santorum.

He's going to lose in Pa. anways, and besides, he's really from Virginia.

thank me at your leisure,

Who wants to bet Allen is winning 46-42 when the next round of polls comes out? Man, the heartbreak on the VA democratic blogosphere is going to be unbelievable when/if Allen wins.

Also, why do you guys think Webb hasn't continued releasing his internal polls? He did it early and you know he's still polling. You all know the answer and it isn't good for the Webbies. And for those who ask why Allen isn't releasing his, he hasn't released any of them but I've seen them and they're good. Webb, on the other hand, started releasing them and then stopped. Hmmm.....

[brimur]

anon at 6:14- HUH? Your contention is that 46-42 would be good news for Allen?!?!?!?

That must mean that Allen's internals have Allen leading by even less, and Allen under 45?

Damn, sometimes lowering expectations just comes across as ludicrous.

Allen Victory Stew (an election night specialty):

1 doe head, severed
3 turtles, de-shelled and diced
1 tail of macaque
5 pinches of chewin tobacco
1 slice each of ham, bacon, pork
2 sea slugs, minced
10 oz self righteous rage

Stir all ingredients together and pour into a white hood. Place hood in a mailbox on a sunny day. Serve warm.

[Bubby]

Uh, I thought that was obvious, Allen's numbers are tumbling so fast, we can't count them accurately. But thanks for playing.

so webb stopped releasing polls because they're bad and allen stopped releasing polls because they're good. that makes sense.

[Not Confucius]

Not Confucius say man in two-man race no win with 46%.

Not Confucius also say man who keep hands in front pocket feel cocky.

[NotLarrySabato'sLawnboy]

Ok guys this has become outrageous..... do you really think that George Allen is going to resign because people keep coming out and saying that he is a racist and i remember him saying this and that..... George Allen is not a racist.... people are taking this story and running with it..... and just a clue this is why democrats lose.... they lose because they take a story in which they could totally screw a republican and screw it up.... you yell and scream and give anyone who has a story against George Allen and think they have creditability.....you just dont know when to stop stirring the pot.... these blogs are crazy to think that George Allen is going somewhere....you dont hear right wingers saying oh one of jim webb closest friend says they are going to figure out a way to make lincoln endorse webb..... i mean really lets just remember webb endorsed Allen at one point.... Webb was a vet and vets are looked at highly by republicans... its just said that noone can figure out if ur only in a position for 10 months then ur not going to be endorsed by the man that put u there...i used to enjoy this blog because it would give me insite to all things in the innerloop and not in the mainstream.... but this stuff isnt in the mainstream for a reason.... there are 24 hour news stations who talk about oprah running for president and they dont even take 5 seconds to say...'i think that george allen will resign'.... this blog with other blogs is the decline in social capital....and is worse than negative attack ads....this is a place for debate not a place for information.... one day there will be many voters decide who should be out reps by reading rumors on the internet.... what can u do when all u read is 100 stories on george allen being a racist and not one on the question of is he not... i call on everyone in this blog.... left right and everywhere inbetween to tell this blog to do fair and balanced reporting.... to get a conservative to write on this blog and counter the negativity....

P.s. look at Tc before he left and got hammered with work and school.... he is a republican and supports alot of republican people but he was not afraid to ask questions and disagree with his own party....i didnt agree with everything he said but i respect him for what he stands for... the same goes to joe lieberman

[ifthethunderdontgetya]

OK NotLarry'sLawnBoy, ya got me.

WHAT, exactly, does Joe Lieberman stand for?

[NotLarrySabato'sLawnboy]

what im saying is that i may not believe in alot of joe's positions because i am a republican but u respect the fact that he is standing for what he believes.... even before there were no WMD joe was saying we should have went into iraq because saddam is a bad man that kills thousands.... but u missed the whole point of my post

[republitarian]

I humbly accept the nomination should Allen decide to step down.

Ben will be the campaign manager. Conaway will be the campaign spokesmen.

My wife is nice, so Shaun Kenney should support me.

I do not invest in drug companies and I've never uttered the "n" word in a derogatory way.(Excluding repeating rap lyrics)

My unpaid bloggers will be James Young, Paul Anderson, Greg Bouchillon, and Carl Kilo.

[Dannyboy]

After watching Hardball, the GOP appears to be be publicly backing Allen. Of course, you never know what's going on behind closed doors.

[TMU]

I call "shenanigans" on NotLarrySabato'sLawnBoy.

[Dannyboy]

Chris Matthews refers to George Allen's "inventing Macaca" as immaculate conception. Great term.

[Dannyboy]

I'll also point out that Matthews said he thinks Allen is going to win. That is all.

[Nova]

Of course they are. The GOP is not gonna give up a Senate seat. Not with this election so close. My guess is there are whispers that Allen can't be allowed to represent the party in 2008, and the big party sorts will go to him and nix his presidential campaign after he wins reelection.

[ifthethunderdontgetya]

I call cluelessness on NotLarrySabato'sLawnBoy.

Joe Lieberman has one principle only: Joe Lieberman.

That's why the party he made up is called 'Connecticut for Lieberman'.

'Lieberman for Connecticut' would have gotten him in trouble with the FTC.

[UVA08]

"After watching Hardball, the GOP appears to be be publicly backing Allen. Of course, you never know what's going on behind closed doors."

I wonder how that will play out in states other than Virginia where this sort of thing is looked down upon by the entire spectrum of the population and where no one in the general population would stoop low enough to try to defend this. A few races that come to mind are the Pennsylvania races (house seats and Senate), Connecticut house, Minnesota Senate, Rhode Island Senate, New Jersey Senate, and to some extent Ohio Senate. The people in those states will not stand for GOP candidates supporting George Allen after all of this. I am willing to bet that should Democratic challengers in those states demand their Republican counterparts denounce Allen, they will do so (except for maybe Santorum). They know that basically no one, regardless of party or race in those states will stand for anything like this.

[NotLarrySabato'sLawnboy]

Did you guys not read the rest of the post?

I withdraw my nomination, Republitarian, if you're hiring Bouchillon. Even the Church Lady's stunt double kicked him to the curb.

VIDEO: Chris Mathews on Allen's Doe Head:"No Way To Defend This Baby"

Wow.

http://www.crooksandliars.com/2006/09/26/macaca-allen-and-the-deer-head/

[ifthethunderdontgetya]

I tried to read the rest of it, NotLarrysLawnboy, but it made my head hurt. Does that count?

[Poli-Carp]

I wish Matthews could learn the difference between "define" and "explain." I'll bet nobody said n#$%er in Philadelphia when Matthews was growing up, especially in a blue-collar Irish-Catholic neighborhood. Is it alright to call bullshit on Matthews on this blog?

[UVA08]

BTW... Anyone catch a number Matthews threw out there. He said Webb has raised over a million the last week..... Wonder what his sources are?

[NotLarrySabato'sLawnboy]

Well im glad i see a decline in social capital and you see joe liberman

[Nova]

Don't turn on Matthews just because you didn't like one of his comments. He used the first half of Hardball to publish all of these charges to the nation. That's a big deal. Hardball was truly damning tonight for Allen, and that's what will matter.

[Dannyboy]

Do you know what I'd like?

I'd like one of the A-Team to come out and tell us straight up whether or not George Allen plans on dropping out. That would be nice.

[ifthethunderdontgetya]

I hope I don't have to see Joe Lieberman or George Felix, much longer, NotLarrysLawnboy.

I've contributed to both Ned Lamont and Jim Webb.

Here, enjoy:

http://ctbob.blogspot.com/2006/09/joe-liebermans-days-off_26.html

Courtesy of CT Bob.

[Poli-Carp]

No, NoVa, I don't really care. I just hate to see this sanctimoniousness in the media. If we stopped smearing everyone who enters politics, we'd have better candidates than either Allen or Webb. Sitting back in the media and egging it on for ratings doesn't encourage people with character to enter politics.

[republitarian]

I was just trying to pacify the gay community.....

I'll get Rick Sincere....

[Poli-Carp]

Dannyboy,

I think that's a question that they won't answer because it doesn't deserve an answer.

[MB]

As a member of the A-Team, I can confirm that we are seriously discussing these recent disclosures.

Frankly, several of us are quite shocked, and a pep rally was necessary to prevent several folks from walking out of the campaign.

Given the likely attrition of several of us, Senator Allen is seriously considering removing his name -- we've heard from at least 3 other national GOP leaders hinting that we can't expect much more in the way of outside help if we continue running.

ROLL CALL also reports that a new nickname for Allen, "Sen. Macacawitz," was overheard at a party recently. Allen came under fire a few weeks ago for calling a man of Indian descent, "macaca," which is sometimes used as a racial slur.

From Rawstory link:

http://www.rawstory.com/news/2006/Allens_office_changes_hearing_date_from_0926.html

I call BS for MB.

[Nova]

In 2006, a crack campaign team was disbanded for a slur they didn't commit. These staffers promptly escaped from unemployment in Northern Virginia. Today they survive as soldiers of fortune. If you have a campaign problem, if no one else can help, and if you can find them, maybe you can hire...

THE A-TEAM!

[MB]

Look, all I am saying is that, you know, ahem, the Allen campaign isn't ALL made up of WASPs... there are SOME of us "of color". And SOME of us in that crowd aren't very happy right now.

You can confirm the pep rally from anyone in the campaign.

Hey, anybody wanna go deer hunting and then maybe go driving around on the other side of the tracks?

"WASP" = racial slur

[ifthethunderdontgetya]

LOL Nova!

But wouldn't it be more accurate to say "If you don't yet have a campaign problem..."

[Nova]

LOL. I suppose it would.

[Nova]

The funniest part would be to see how many people here are too young to have any idea what we're talking about :)

[Dannyboy]

Poli-Carp:
Probably. But I'd like it some sort of word from the campaign on this. Hey, I'd like to see this campaign finish out. It started Webb vs. Allen, and that's how I'd like it to end.

The Allen Campaign certainly isn't responding like it's collapsing. What with Ron Christie vouching for Allen, it seems that they're still trying to dig up responses to the accusation.

[Mr. T]

I ain't gettin' on no Allen campaign, fool.

[Darth Vader Switched Sides]

I see many of you are getting giddy and counting your chickens before they hatch. I look forward to the coming month....the only one with a record of quitting in this Senate race is Jim Webb...you know, quit the Reagan Administration, quit this Senate race before it began, quit supporting Democrats to become a Republican to become a Democrat...and now he apparently has quit supporting our efforts to fight terrorisim in Iraq. If Webb is anything, he is the consistent quitter.

[Emperor Palpatine]

Are your feelings on this clear, Lord Vader?

[ifthethunderdontgetya]

"and now he apparently has quit supporting our efforts to fight terrorisim in Iraq..."

My recollection is Iraq didn't have much of a terrorism problem prior to our invasion in 2003.

Allen would have gotten fragged in Nam.

[UVA08]

Apparently Allen never quit calling people racial slurs either....

I've never seen so many people who actaully watch Chris Matthews. Are you carrying Oberman too?