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Breaux

Fantastic argument. Just another reason to be a proud Virginian.

Vivian J. Paige

Very good post.

NLS- I am not a supporter of homosexual marrage but I respect your view on this issue and will vote no on tuesday.

Rick Sincere

The point that the logic of the amendment supporters' position leads to the government forcing single parents -- even widows and widowers -- to marry against their will is coldly compelling.

If every child has a "right" to two parents, then the government must step in and provide the one that's missing. It takes a village, remember?

bye bye George

I am happy with the vote No position. But we have a right to life and therefore to healthcare. I look forward to debating that one with you.

Terry

If this passes I hope they put some kind of divorce measure on the ballot in the next election. I think our ridiculously high divorce rate is doing more to "harm" "traditional marriage" then "gay marriage" ever could.

akaison

the contortions that your post requires is interesting. I agree with the result - vote no. I just find the contortions anti what our system of governance in a neo classical liberal sense is about. but nevertheless GOTV.

akaison

incidentally- as I have said elsewhere- I have been doing some GOTV with moveon.org and I have to say that the program this year is incredibly well organized, and thoughtout. Having done poll monitoring in 2004, and phonebanking, I am impressed at how far the left has come in just two years. If what I have seen is representative- then our GOTV while maybe not entirely matching that of the loonies, is never the less incredible. Anyone who like me wants a progressive revital in this country should consider doing some GOTV- its great if for no other reason than you get to talk to other voters of all strips. it reminded me that not eveyrone is a wingnut. peace

Terry

Lo Scrivano, what a load of garbage. Yes, please, let's put ALL people who desire to get married through mandatory counseling as a means to protect the "sanctity" of marriage. I would bet, that if we made it harder for people to get divorced the domestic violence rates in this country would SKY ROCKET. How is 2 men(or women) getting recognized legal rights going to in any way affect ANY heterosexual marriage in this country?

t

Too... many... words... Jay Hughes.

t will make it much simpler for you: Vote YES to protect traditional marriage.

t speaks.

Not Huey Long

Oh yes, what a heavenly-ordained arguement! Who needs all those pesky, well-thought words and phrases when you have "sound-bytes" to satisfy the ideological urges of nincompoops???

t, did you hear that God has endorsed Jim Webb?Maybe you should rethink your vote for Senate?!?

NHL writes.

Not Mary Matalin

NHL - please don't think the simple post from 't' represents all God-fearing Virginia voters. Many thanks to Jay Hughes for posting a compelling secular argument against the amendment. I offer my previously posted comments concerning religious reasons to vote against the amendment on Tuesday:

I am Republican who voted for Bush twice. I’m voting for Allen. I consistently write-in candidates against Bobby Scott (Winsome notwithstanding). I’m also a Christian who will vote _against_ the marriage amendment for sound religious reasons.

This amendment is unequivocally discriminatory and motivated by bigoted passions. The gospels of Matthew, Mark, and Luke all quote Jesus as saying the greatest commandments are to love God with all your heart and love your neighbor as yourself. (Mt 22:34-40; Mk 12:29-31; Lk 10:25-28.) I am unaware of any of Jesus’ teachings that ask us to use our control of the law to injure others.

Bob McDonnell takes time to compose lengthy missives about the massive list of things (in that politician’s opinion) the amendment will _not_ do to the point of begging the question of what it will, in fact, do.

What goal does this amendment achieve that should sway a Christian to ignore Christ’s commandment to love thy neighbor as thyself?

What other than memorializing mean-spirited bigotry in our Constitution does this do?

Shame on those who trade a few passages from Mosaic code for Christ’s clear and direct message and call it defending biblical marriage….

Not Huey Long

NMM, I appreciate your persuasive comments about the marriage amendment from a true Christian perspective. Regrettably, your comments are not shared by the vast majority of your peers.

Unfortunately, the evangelical vote will enshrine bigotry into George Mason's fine body of work and negatively impact Virginians. I'm ashamed of what future generations will think of us.

voteNOva

Not Huey:
The election is TIED! And, here you are proclaiming defeat. Shame on you. Get out there and talk with another voter. Sign up to work a poll. We can win on Tuesday, but not if we don't believe we can!
CG2

Lo Scrivano

Need, you all be reminded, Gay marriage is already illegal. So how is this law creating bigotry?

Doug in Mount Vernon

NHL, as the polls demonstrate, it is NOT a foregone conclusion what the result will be.

Please refrain from unnecessary doomsday until it happens.

Have faith in the good judgment of many Virginians. The fact that it IS so close, and that opponents are effectively closing the gap speaks volumes for the noggins of many Virginians.

If the amendment does still end up passing, it will likely be simply because the education efforts fell just short and didn't quite reach enough people.

Not Huey Long

BIGOTRY: stubborn and complete intolerance of any creed, belief, or opinion that differs from one's own. — Synonyms: narrow-mindedness, bias, discrimination.

Lo Scrivano

This law changes nothing on gay marriage, so how do you get bigotry out of it?

Lo Scrivano

If that definition is correct, then you are displaying bigotry of my belief that Homosexuality is wrong...your definition has far reaching consequences.

ifthethunderdontgetya

Lo Sciviano, why don't you send an email to Ken Mehlman.

http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/11/05/face-the-snark-21/

I'm sure he's just waiting for your message.

Not Huey Long

I really don't wish to write a thesis based on your flawed logic, but here's the Cliff Notes version. You're writing discrimination into a document designed to grant rights not restrict them!! If you can't get that concept, then well, what's there really to say.

Lo, have you ever met a gay person?

David

Let me see if I understand Lo correctly: 'You're discriminating against me if you don't allow me to discriminate against those of whom I don't approve.'

I see.

As voteNOva says, it's now a dead heat. Work harder.

Lo Scrivano

That statement was based on NHL's post about the def. of bigotry.
NHL,
You are the one who posted "BIGOTRY: stubborn and complete intolerance of any creed, belief, or opinion that differs from one's own. — Synonyms: narrow-mindedness, bias, discrimination."

If this be the true def. then you are displaying bigotry by being "completly intollerant of my belief."

Terry M

Just so it is clear..Terry is not Terry M.

akaison

David,

Yes, that's exactly what Lo is doing. It's the last resort of the christian right- when they can't argue a position, they resort to feelings of being persecuted. It's one of the more unfortunately aspect of the pyschology: because they can't get their way in telling everyone else what to do, that means everyone is out to get them. I have yet to understand how them getting into heaven is dependent on them writing their faith into the laws that govern christian and non christian a like. but, then, I am a person of faith who believes in a secular government rather than a theocracy so maybe I am not suppose to get it.

Not Huey Long

Lo, have you ever met an openly gay couple, or for that matter, a gay person? Why do you have such hostile feelings towards the gay community? Is your opinion a symptom of an intolerant up-bringing or was your disgust fostered in some other manner?

David

For example, there is the manner in which it was fostered in Pastor Ted.

Pay close attention to these especially angry, fixated anti-gay activists. This issue is clearly very personal for them.

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