Restraint

Can we please show some?

UPDATE:  STOP IT.  PLEASE!  Jaime- there is no reason to post a picture of Tom Davis and Jeannemarie Devolites-Davis with scarlet letters on them...

UPDATE #2-  TC also has a problem with this, but also decides to bring Bob Brink into it.  Again, I say STOP IT EVERYONE.

Comments

[Southern Democrat]

That is absolutely disgusting. I continue to look forward to a Virginia where people can just live their lives.

[James W.]

Ben,

Thanks for being the voice of reason here...hard to believe. Anyway, folks who are interested in understanding the real issues in this race can visit our blog at dion2007.wordpress.com.

[phriendlyjaime]

The hate spewing from the "anti-love" group is despicable, yet consistent.

[Poli-Carp]

I think we shoudl pester the courts to unseal the divorce decree! Oh, sorry, he's a Democrat. Restraint!

[Greg L]

Hey, I didn't mention anything about him stuffing deer heads in people's mailboxes, 20 year old convictions for fishing without a license or saying the "N-word" when he was in college. I think I'm being rather restrained, especially in comparison to the coverage I gave to Steve Chapman.

[truthteller]

So much for a debate based on the issues with the "values" crew... Don't let the door hit you on the way OUT... OUT Of power that is!

[James Young]

The real scandal here, Ben, is that Democrats are trying the keep it a secret. I have it on good authority that John Jenkins didn't even know.

[MC]

Actually Ben, Greg has a point a few posts up. Its really hard for you to talk about restraint when it comes to personal scandal.

Mr. Young,

Democrats aren't trying to keep it a secret, it's just no one's business. Unless you plan on posting a detailed account of every sexual encounter you've had in your life, I don't believe it's any of yours or anyone else's business.

[Pete in Williamsburg]

So, anyone who gets a divorce is unqualified for office? I'll stand by for that guy to blog the stats and finances of George Allen, Tom Davis, Jean M D Davis, New Gingrich, Juliani... you can see where this is going.

[James Young]

Anon 10:29, there is good cause to believe that your assertion is an absurd lie. According to those of you on the far Left --- evidenced by your opposition to this year's Amendment 1 --- perverse sexual behavior is EVERYONE'S business, and entitled to license by the State. So please spare us your pretensions to privacy. You know as well as I do that what used to be the Love that Dare Not Speak Its Name has become the Love that Will Not Shut Its Mouth. PWC Dems tried to put one over on the voters of Occoquan (just like they put one over on the voters of Virginia with Mark "I Won't Raise Taxes" Warner and Tim Kaine). Now they're crying foul because Republicans won't let them get away with it.

[phriendlyjaime]

Um..this is all you guys can do? Attack the group that beat you out of majority? Didn't George Allen just apologize for NOT sticking to the issues?

Pathetic.

[Jon]

Jaime, I got news for ya. George Allen a (R), lost to Jim Webb a (R). Sorry to tell ya this, Webb is no Pelosi, which is what it appears you think you have gotten. I give you 3 months before you all started complaining about Webb being to moderate.

[UVA08]

LOL.... I wish the right would get their story straight.... During the campaign Webb was a liberal that wanted to "cut and run" and raise taxes. Immediately after the election Webb was really a Republican anyway. At this same time there were others who were saying that Webb would cave under the Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid Congress and do everything the liberals told him to. After his editorial in the Wall Street Journal you all called him a Marxist. Now he's a Republican again.

[TLM]

SO, what exactly is the big crime here that was kept secret?? That he is gay? That he has children and got a divorce? Is that illegal in Vrginia now too??

Not the kind of baggage I'd want to take into a campaign,even in Arlington, but the candidate and the PW Dems must have a set of steel ones to attempt it. Balls that is. Yeah, I'm smiling as I type that. ;-) Sorry James.

[Vivian J. Paige]

There is only one answer to this: elect Jeff Dion.

[Riley, Not O'Reilly]

I have to disagree with you on this rare occasion, Vivian.

The only answer to this is: voters should look at the policy positions and issues of each candidate and then decide personally who they think is best.

A district that just voted heavily for Corey Stewart for Chairman is not going to turn around and elect a political opponent to fill his seat.

For the record, Jeff has been open to PWCDC members about the fact that he is gay. He is running for office, however, not because of that, but to control growth, improve traffic, maintain quality schools, and strengthen public safety. If that is the so called gay agenda, then I'm for it. As for James Young, it is unlikely he has anything at all about what John Jenkins knows or does not know. Since the PWCDC, unlike, apparently, the PWCRC, does not consit of a bunch of homophobic bigots, none of this is a problem. The reaction to his candidacy from BVBL/James Young crowd, however, is informative. They really do want to intrude into decisions on our private lives -- our intimate relationships, whether people get or stay married, and how they raise their children. As for me, I'm not interested in having two so obviously mean spirtied and emoitionally stunted individuals make decisions like that for me.

[brimur]

That is despicable. They should be ashamed of themselves. How many different ways can they go wrong? Not only is this another example of the right-wing nutcases ginning up hatred toward non-heterosexual people for a pathetic political purpose, but in order to do that they're willing to pry into the personal lives of not only Mr. Dion and his ex-wife, but the lives of their kids.

And on top of that they think it makes it better to say "oh no the issue isn't homophobia, it's that he didn't tell anybody"

What??? He had a responsibility to report on his sex life as a single man? I never saw that candidate filing form.

[Terry]

Wow, too bad he didn't address why the Father has custody of the kids....guess the judge must have been a "radical liberal."

[Poli-Carp]

What is good for the gander is good for the goose.

[Carrington]

Poli-Carp--

I assume you mean personal lives of democratic politicians should be open season since George Allen's racial history was exposed in his campaign?

Private sex life/custody arrangements=racism? A stretch, I think.

It's this sort of thing that will drive all the qualified people from considering public office (who needs it) and all we'll be left with is the nut jobs.

God help us!

[Doug in Mount Vernon]

I left some comments for them that I'm sure will rile their vile.

I faced a very similar attack in Sterling in 2003. What a load of crap. I'm sure Jeff wants to serve his community and better the quality of life where in Occoquan. That's the issue, just like it was in Sterling in 2003. Jeff's got to define himself immediately and early before his opponent (or the evil lying people like the ones on BVBL) has that chance. As someone who had ample opportunity to both define myself as the community candidate but failed to adequately do so to many voters. I also had a chance to use very negative information on my opponent but chose not to because I wanted to be positive and focus on the issues--that may not get you elected. Don't be afraid to use RELEVANT and FAIR negative information about your opponent. I wish I'd have done that. Because the community of Sterling Park would have had a fighter for its every interest--tooth and nail--serving it, instead of an orange clown who no one takes seriously.

Go Jeff Dion.

[Matt]

Ben..you shouldn't even link to it, it only makes it more talked about..ughh, I just have to wonder where that guy got his information...

[Matt]

Hmm..it seems like conservatives just are sooo fucking fascinated with gays these days, repressed much? Hmm..Mark Foley? Ted Haggard? Charlie Crist? Larry Craig? Hmm...seems like a lot of the Republican staffers are gay...

Is the G.O.P..now the Gay Old Party???

Gay's do like to party

/snark

[Mr. Ugly]

The politician in me says let it go. This is just so disgusting & over the top that most folks are going to feel a great deal of sympathy for Dion. It really gets good when they can't find anything else to say about him, so they point out that house size equates to parenting abilities. Geez, I never knew that! Around here in Richmond, Brad "Reichsfuhrer" Marrs sent a mailer out noting that a 'openly gay car dealer' supported his opponent, Cathrine Waddell. Worked well for Marrs, didn't it? If these alleged Christians are opposed to Gays, then they can seek their salvation in the church of their choice. Pray for them. But, leave the preaching for the church, not the courthouse steps.

[Jambon]

I good source tells me that Bob McDonnell enjoys watching "figure skating".

I'll report more on this breaking story soon.

Good Lord. Ben, you should make a special "gay toupee" alert for these things. Can we find an image of Larry Sabato dressed in drag?

[Terry]

"Can we find an image of Larry Sabato dressed in drag? "

That's foul.

How pathetic. But, of course, this is what the under-the-radar campaign against Jeff will be.

I hereby move that BVBL gets demoted to Aluminum Blogs.

[JMU Duke]

Matt--

I was wondering the same thing about where he got his information. After the way that John Gray attacked Dion baselessly about his residence status on Jim Riley's Virginia Virtucon, I would not be a bit surprised if he fed this information to BVBL.

[Not John S. Mosby]

And many Republicans feel that they got ass-booted out of Congress last month because they weren't conservative enough. I hope they keep on thinking that - it'll make it easier to take the Presidency, 3-4 Senate seats and some more House seats in 2008.

[Chap Petersen]

I've known Jeff Dion for over fifteen years, since we were both law students. He is a leader with integrity and a vision for his community and the Commonwealth. He has been a leader on a lot of causes (such as the rights of crime victims) which step outside the Democratic stereotype. I heard him speak about his interest in the PWC position at the NoVA Business Council breakfast a week ago, and he's going to run a great campaign on issues that unite the community. I encourage folks to vote for him (or send him a check).

[commonsense]

Thanks Chap for your words of wisdom. You are currently the front runner in your rade with JMDD.

think its commonsense

[phriendlyjaime]

Jaime, I got news for ya. George Allen a (R), lost to Jim Webb a (R). Sorry to tell ya this, Webb is no Pelosi, which is what it appears you think you have gotten. I give you 3 months before you all started complaining about Webb being to moderate.

Posted by: Jon | December 08, 2006 at 11:00 AM

Who the hell told you I was a Pelosi liberal? Because they were wrong.

And by the way, if the only way you can console yourself and lick your wounds about the "liberal Hillary lover" beating your make believe boyfriend, then I pity you.

[phriendlyjaime]

I hereby move that BVBL gets demoted to Aluminum Blogs.

Posted by: | December 08, 2006 at 02:13 PM

I second.

[JMU Duke]

Call the question.

[phriendlyjaime]

Ben, all's fair.

[Doug in Mount Vernon]

All those in favor?!?

AYE!!

Shut up NLS. Tom Davis and his affair are fair game.

[Terry]

I hereby move that BVBL gets demoted to Aluminum Blogs.

Posted by: | December 08, 2006 at 02:13 PM

I second.
Posted by: phriendlyjaime | December 08, 2006 at 02:49 PM

Hear hear!

[Matt]

Well I'm going to have to say that I'd rather we not go into the gutters with the Republicans at the moment, but oh well..

[phriendlyjaime]

Well, they started it. They disguised gay bashing behind "concern for the children", right?

WELL I AM CONCERNED FOR DAVIS'S CHILDREN!!!!

[phriendlyjaime]

UPDATE: STOP IT. PLEASE! Jaime-there is no reason to post a picture of Tom Davis and Jeannemarie Devolites-Davis with scarlet letters on them...

December 08, 2006 | Permalink

Yeah, ok. This from the guy who posted a pic of Lisa Loeb naked in reference to Amy Reger. Nice try, Ben.

But, I still love you. I just worry about our children's safety...

[Not Larry Sabato]

Um, there will NOT be any of "our" children....

[Doug in Mount Vernon]

Anyone who wants to show the right-wing gay bashers why their tactics will backfire on Special Election Day, please visit this web page and make a secure Paypal donation---even if it's only a little, it will help make sure Jeff is the next Supervisor for Occoquan:

http://www.jeffdion.org/Contribute.html

I just gave him $250. Do what you can, please.

There's only one way to answer this behavior, as Ms. Paige said.

Elect Jeff Dion.

Before we elect Jeff Dion, he needs to tell us why he kept this secret from John Jenkins.

[Matt]

I'll gladly send 25 bucks his way next paycheck

As a poor college student..

That's my ceiling, but hopefully it'll help out

Dion that is..

[phriendlyjaime]

Oh, Benji....

[Doug in Mount Vernon]

Anon 3:40

I've only started reading about this race today, and I've already learned enough to be able to call you a liar.

It wasn't secret and it wasn't kept from anyone.

I suspect that because a person speaks on his issues, why he/she wants to run, and what he/she plans to offer as an elected official would not be enough for you?

When did Gerry Connolly reveal his heterosexuality before he ran for Chairman and how could he have hidden that fact from Jan Reeves?

Don't be ridiculous.

[phriendlyjaime]

I agree, Doug. They are so angry about no being able to "out" someone they don't know what to do.

And I guarantee you, this is all Tom Davis's doing. He pushed this on his blogger minions to save face. What a despicable human being.

[Jambon]

Ben posted a naked photo of Lisa Loeb? How did I miss that!

[phriendlyjaime]

http://notlarrysabato.typepad.com/doh/2006/10/democratic_part.html

lisa loeb-naked.

[Jambon]

how about Tom Davis in some "short shorts"?

http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/9163/davislgdi0.jpg

Who wears turqoise shorts with a blue top anyway? Tom needs to go on Queer Eye.

[JMU Duke]

I doubt this is Davis btw, I still think it's John Gray.

[Jambon]

Thanks Jaime. You know how I love the bookworm look! HOT!!!

[Not Ben]

Greg Letiecq's subtly screaming "FAGGOT" on his website is just a modern incarnation of his ideological forefathers screaming "JUDEN RAUSS!"

[TLM]

One thing that is bothering me is all the talk about Dion being "openly gay". Looking at his website and bio I don't see any mention of the word, his partner or anything that would suggest he is a gay father bringing up his two kids. We see lots of pictures of him and the kids and a resume full of church and Boy Scouts, but nothing gay. No organizations, nothing.

This is not an openly gay person. Those of us who are do not hide our lives, even for political reasons. He might be gay, but stop calling him open. It is an insult to those who really are living openly as gay Americans.

Jaime can show restraints. If by restraints you mean fluffy handcuffs, ball gags and tethers.

[phriendlyjaime]

I disagree, and I think that that's ridiculous. I have openly gay relatives, and they do not introduce themselves as "Hi, I'm ____ and I am gay." If Republicans for the 2006 election DIDN'T EVEN HAVE TO PUT ON THEIR WEBSITE THAT THEY WERE REPUBLICANS FOR FEAR OF REPUDIATION, then Jeff doesn't have to advertise either. He is just expected to be honest.

DOES ANY POLITICIAN YOU KNOW STATE ON THEIR SITE THEY THEY ARE STRAIGHT?

NO.

[Rowhey]

Jaime,
Two wrongs don't make a right. How does it make sense to attack Davis and Devolites for the pigheaded (and, rotten)right-wing actions against Dion?

It would be like attacking Syria for the actions taken by Iran.

You are attacking the wrong people. And, bringing someone's kids into the fray is in poor taste.

[MC]

This is the legaxy of Jim Webb's campaign, guys.

Anything goes, and nothing is off limits.

Ben, when you and RK and the rest of the Webbheads on the net started talking about deer heads, turtles, the n-word, and any other smear to help put Webb over the top--you made it clear that everything is open.

Now you want restraint? I agree that BVBL shouldn't be talking about Dion being gay, and I posted it on his blog.

But for the people here on NLS, Chap included, to start talking about how "shocked" you are and how "disgusted" you are at Greg is frankling disingenious and laughable. This is one of my favorite sites, and I'll never stop reading it, but in 06, you guys lost all claims to the moral high ground. So stop damning BVBL and start remembering everything you said and did and supported a few months back.

We Shouldn't Help the GOP Spread Their Message

The right-wing blogosphere's attack on Dion is unconscionable, but not surprising given the GOP's proclivity for below-the-belt attacks.

What is surprising is that this blog and others would provide the right-wingers an echo chamber to spread this mud about Dion by quoting verbatim large sections of the attack on Dion for even more people to read.

I am sure the writer of the original diary had the best of intentions. But a cardinal rule in politics is when you respond to an attack, don't help the attacker by making his case for him.

Unfortunately, the diary doesn't help Jeff Dion's campaign. It aids the Republicans who want to spread the nasty rhetoric about him.

I urge every Democrat to join us at Jeff's announcement tomorrow at noon at the Old Hechinger Commuter Lot at Rt. 123 and Old Bridge Road in PW County.

George Burke, Chair
11th CD Democratic Committee

[Doug in Mount Vernon]

TLM, that is just not fair. I would urge you to look at a sampling of many other Democratic and Republican candidate web sites so that you can see that hardly every candidate goes into great detail about their personal lives and families---some do.

But even if there was an intention on the part of Jeff not to mention a "partner" or the word gay even, he does list his memberships in both Equality Virginia and Equality Prince William, both easily idenitifiable GLBT organizations with few non-gay members (most do have some non-gay members but the vast majority of members are GLBT themselves), AND he DOES talk about his "family".

My web site in 2003 did not mention my sexuality or anything about my "family" (mostly because I was single at the time), but it did mention my membership and endorsement from Virginia Partisans and Victory Fund.

But it also contained TONS more information about the issues I cared about, what I wanted to do for my community, and how I hoped to represent that community.

You're being awfully hard on the candidate. Do straight candidates prominently mention their heterosexuality on their web sites?

[Too Conservative]

I am disgusted by both of these posters..and just put up a post with testimony.

[Doug in Mount Vernon]

George,

So being gay and running for office and having people know about is a negative?

No thanks. That's not a constructive way to frame this issue.

Jeff is a community advocate and victims' rights advocate and HOA President. That he happens to be gay is not something that should be treated like damaging information. Voters that would be persuaded by that kind of garbage are very unlikely to vote for the Democrat in the first place, and Occoquan does tilt Democratic, does it not?

[phriendlyjaime]

So, tooconservative wants hits on his blog....

[phriendlyjaime]

Sorry, you didn't deserve that. Just annoyed. I cannot believe people think this wasn't going to be an issue. It needs to be dealt with.

[Doug in Mount Vernon]

I suffered the very same from people like George Burke in the Democratic Party when I ran in 2003 for Loudoun County Supervisor for the Sterling District, Jaime. They insisted that I should never address the issue because it would damage the campaign.

Like it wasn't going to come up. Please. It's all in how it is handled. I actually had it come up through a fairly friendly article in Leesburg Today. And I made sure people knew that it had nothing to do with why I was running. Unforuntately, it still wasn't quite enough, but I did get 47% of the vote in a (at the time) 60% Republican area (for off-year local elections). I had lots of Republicans who cared more about the community than their counterparts divisive shenanigans supporting me. And about every Democrat. If Jeff's opponents try stuff like BVBL did, he'll win--Occoquan is way more liberal than Sterling Park (that's my impression anyway).

Leave the kids out of this.

Especially kids who serve time in jail for driving getaway cars in armed robberies.

oooooooooooooooops.

[Not Larry Sabato]

Doug, I agree. For all of George Burke's huffing, he has never helped a candidate win a serious election. Let's hope Dion knows better than to listen to him.

Personally, I think this is the best possible day for Dion. Everything is out in the open, Democrats are energized and ready to help him and Republicans are divided, and embarassed for behavior within their own party. Doug, if blogs had been around when you ran and spreading the word of what Eugene did, you might have won also.

[Doug in Mount Vernon]

NLS, wouldn't that have been fun!? My race on blogs!? I can only imagine the fun that would be!

We may still have some semblance of that fun as DEL-GOTTA-GO is running again this year.

I am so embarassed to have lost to that bafoon. But hey, better people than me have lost to bafoons as well.

I just hope that everyone will consider dropping some dollars on Jeff's campaign. It's easy and secure here on Paypal:

http://www.jeffdion.org/Contribute.html

I'm sure if every Democrat reading this gave him even $20 or $25 he could get that introduction message out to the voters of the Occoquan District to make sure HIS message is heard loud and clear.

George,

So being gay and running for office and having people know about is a negative?

No thanks. That's not a constructive way to frame this issue.

Jeff is a community advocate and victims' rights advocate and HOA President. That he happens to be gay is not something that should be treated like damaging information. Voters that would be persuaded by that kind of garbage are very unlikely to vote for the Democrat in the first place, and Occoquan does tilt Democratic, does it not?

Posted by: Doug in Mount Vernon | December 08, 2006 at 05:00 PM

EXACTLY.

[matt (not the usual one)]

I think everything is fair in campaign.

Do you think that people who will not vote for him after reading that blog entry about him being gay would anyway have had otherwise?

I dont think so. The only people to be swayed by that inspite of his record will be hard headed socio-religious conservatives whose votes are anyways monopolized by the other side. I dont think this is a loss.

Plus it is fair. I am sure this sode would have done the same had they been able to find out something similiar.

[republitarian]

Dear Chap,

What is a "crime vitim"?

Is marital infidelity usually an unpunished crime?

Just because something goes unpunished does that make it less of a crime?

Seems to me that may parents have turned their children into "crime victims".

LET'S ALL BEHAVE TO THE LOWEST STANDARD POSSIBLE...

and then wonder why our society is rotten.....

[Doug in Mount Vernon]

not the usual matt:

It's FAIR to attack the man for who he is, assert that he shouldn't have custody of his kids because his house is smaller, and to insinuate things about his divorce that are COMPLETELY baseless!!????

Wow, I guess my bearings on fairness are off-kilter or something.

Come on, what BVBL did was despicable and....well....evil.

But it was NOT fair.

[Doug in Mount Vernon]

republitarian:

I think you mean why "Republican society" is rotten.

If you honestly believe gay people are rotten because they are gay, or because they choose to honor their true selves and honor their loved ones with that truth, good luck to you in facing your Creator.

[republitarian]

Gosh, can't you people read. You just repeat the same tired crap about bigotry.

I don't care if he like to pack crap.

He is not honoring his committments.

Please see TC and BVBL for further comments.

Why do you think everyone hates you because your gay?

Is that a syndrome too?

[CloudsInMyCoffee]

So, it is alleged that Tom Davis and his two-trick-pony-wife, Jeannemarie, allegedly had an affair while still married to their former spouses. I would like to volunteer to ask each of them if this is true at their next news conference/campaign event - and I'll be sure to have my video camera running to record their response! I can only imagine the word they would use to describe me!

P.S. to Jamie - I loved the pics!

"I don't care if he like to pack crap."

Repblitarian-you're a rude and despicable bigot. Please tell us soething about you so we can make up rude names for you.

[republitarian]

Stop the name calling.

I'm tired of gay people screaming "bigot", "hate-monger", everytime you engage them in debate, especially when the debate is not about them.

Sorry, it was supposed to read, "I don't care if he likes to pack crap".

because I don't.

One of the best points made:

"The Marriage Amendment carried every Occoquan precinct, and Vic Bras selects a gay activist to be nominee. I guess Equality PW has taken over the PWCDC."

[matt (not the usual one)]

Doug

I mean fair not in the usual sense but fair in the sense of what happens in politics.

I totally do not think this is something that should matter in a campaign.

However, think for a second what you would have done if you had found that GFA was gay?

Politics has become a game of mud slinging. The other side may have started it but not all sides indulge in it. It is to be expected in politics these days and all participants should be very much aware of the same and not be 'shocked' or feel 'outraged'. I think American politics is beyond that point.

Is this otherwise despicable, totally. But thats what politics has sadly become.

[phriendlyjaime]

Republitarian, with all due respect:

I realize you were called names, and you have every right to ask not to be. However, your "packing crap" line seems a lot like name calling to me, even though it's just a nasty desription for anal sex.

Anal sex, by the way, is not an act stricly limited to homosexuals. Many, MANY straight couples also participate in that specific sexual act. Would you call woman who liked it a "crap packer"?

I know I am derailing, but I just don't see how you can say that that description is not calling someone a name; it's worse.

[republitarian]

If you have read my blog....I do not believe that straight have "gay sex".

Straight sex is defined as sex between people of the opposite sex....not necessarily by what they do.

In other words...I don't think we should have laws against different sex acts.

My pholisophy....Give the woman what she wants.

[PM]

To those who think homosexuality is a "crime against nature" -- some scholars think Jesus was gay. See, e.g., http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secret_Gospel_of_Mark which is about the Secret Gospel of Mark. Bart Ehrman, head of UNC's Theology Dept., has a whole chapter on this in one of his latest books -- and he was at first inclined to take the side of those who thought "Clement's letter" referring to the gospal was a hoax, until he met a well-regarded theologian who had seen the famous document Morton Smith wrote about. (This will only make sense if you read the Wikipedia entry.) Apparently, the monastery which had the Clementine letter says it has "lost" the document, which is critical to the whole argument, because if the so-called Lost Gospel of Mark can be age-authenticated --- whoa ---

Aahhh, PhriendlyPhlake.

You had me at Anal.

BTW, kudos to your hubby for tapping into a three-hole option commitment! Well done, sir.

[republitarian]

Dear PM, that is blasphemous...

wikipedia...now there's a reputable source

UNC...They are more liberal at that school than most readers of this blog...of course, they are going to say he's queer...

My post had nothing to do with Jeff's sexual preference. I could care less. I support Jeff for his experience and integrity.

My message would be the same regardless of the issue.

Simply stated; We should not amplify the message of the opposition.

The Republicans issue these hit pieces to push your buttons and gain attention -- and you are playing right into their hands.

I respect and admire everyone's passion, but we need to think and act strategically, not emotionally.

And someone should tell NLS I was electing Democrats to Congress from a bright red state when he was in diapers.

George Burke, Chair
11th CD Democratic Committee

Republitarian, you wicked ASS - how do YOU know that HE failed to honor HIS commitments. After all, HE kept his commitment to his children. Maybe his wife was the one who was "dishonorable" (if indeed anyone was).

And don't worry "good buddy" - we read you - loud and clear.

[Doug in Mount Vernon]

So, the true nature of republitarian reveals itself.

Methinks thou dost protest too much. That is, when people say that it is hateful and bigoted to say the things you do and have about gay people, and to have people call you on it. Then you scream victim.

Classic. Well, I for one, will always call a spade, a spade.

Bigotry is defined as in inolerance toward those who are different in politics or religion. What would you call it, republitarian? Enlighten me, please.

If I espoused lies about you based on the fact that you might be heterosexual you would easily see the point.

The attitudes you and your crowd in fact ARE rooted in hatred, fear, and bigotry. They are NOT, btw, at all rooted in the teachings of Jesus.

[Carrington]

WHERE IS PASTOR JOHN? Perhaps he doesn't feel needed because so many mainstreamers are carrying his water for him today...

[Darth Vader Switched Sides]

Can we name this election "Broke Back Occoquan?"

Any Seconds?

Doug in MV,

Relax.

Bubble Bath
Candles
Barry Manilow

Then, in the morning, head off to Macys for some new stockings, silk shirts, and a stroll down the makeup isle. You go show em, girl!

[Doug in Mount Vernon]

I missed the "t" in intolerance and the word "espouse" after crowd.

Broke Back Occoquan? Ha ha....

[Doug in Mount Vernon]

Thanks but I leave the drag to the pros.

You know, the ones that blog as right-wingers during the day.

[phriendlyjaime]

Ahhhh, anon 7:10-you have proven why I don't associate with people like you.

And by the way-no one has "sealed the deal" with me. 3 hole option? What are you, 12? Maybe not, but I KNOW you're lonely.

[republitarian]

To the Dear anonymous republitarian attacker,

I know who you are...;O)

I was talking about anyone in general who shucks out of a committment because sex is more important.

Like I said, it ain't a gay issue.

[republitarian]

I am only bigoted against those that do not honor committments....especially their own children.

[PM]

Republitarian:

I've spent thousands of hours reading serious theology; this is a valid theological investigation; Wikipeda refers to serious articles on the subject -- you can do your own research if you prefer rather than just criticize

Jefferson, by the way, created his own Bible, taking out the parts he thought were made up; modern scholarship pretty much agrees with him (read about The Jesus Seminar, for example.)

Ehrman, by the way, used to be a fundamentalist until he read so much about how the Bible was fabricated that he became an atheist -- anyone beyond the age of 12 and who has a decent IQ knows both testaments are largely a bunch of fairy tales

How's this for blasphemy -- God announces his son to the world by having Herod kill a whole slew of children -- if that's your idea of a God you can suck it