THE POLLS ARE OPEN UNTIL 7 P.M.

What are you seeing out there?

UPDATE:  I am really sick today so I haven't had a chance to hear much of what's going on- but based on the emails I am getting, Barack Obama is winning Virginia in an epic blowout.

UPDATE #2-  Virginia Run, one of the most Republican precincts in Fairfax County has had 230 Democrats and 130 Republicans so far.  WTF?  Poll workers there just called me and said some Republicans have admitted being told to take the Democratic ballot and vote for the weaker candidate.  Who is that to the GOP?

UPDATE #3- ARLINGTON COUNTY SHAME. Cars being towed outside polling places after they failed to have enough voting machines and had an hour long wait to vote.

UPDATE #4- I just heard from Ingrid Morroy, Commissioner of Revenue in Arlington.  She looked into the third update very seriously as Arlington County was not towing today because of the primary.  She reports that the car was towed by a private company because it was in a "customer only" space, not by the county.  Thanks to Ingrid for taking voter rights so seriously and making sure that Arlington County was not involved in anything that could discourage the vote!

Comments

[Interested Observer]

POTENTIAL ELECTION FRAUD BY HILLARY CAMPAIGN!!!! DEVELOPING!!! MORE AS I INVESTIGATE THROUGHOUT THE DAY!

[PWConservative]

Heavy African American turnout for democrats in Nokesville precinct, A lot of Huckabee voters as well

[Bwana]

Kind of Light this AM at Burke Commons. I was #28 on the GOP side, with the Dems seeming to be around 70, but that was from a passing glance...they were not calling out the voter number as they have in past years.

[Kevin]

Twenty standing in line at Oak Mar Precinct in Fairfax at 6:45 a.m.

In line right now at Dutch Gap precinct in Chesterfield County. About 50 people in line ... 30 to 45 minute wait because the poll officials claim they are understaffed and can only let one or two folks vote at a time, even though there nine voting booths.

[Church Hill Dem]

My poll workers appeared to be illiterate, which I guess may be fitting given my Church Hill precinct.

Each voter had to wait about five minutes for the two poll workers to find a name and home address before they would give a voter a ticket to vote.

[woman of choice]

I was 64th in L-Z line for a Democrat ballot at Fountainhead. Turnout was good. The workers were friendly and very competent.

Unless you've worked a poll before, you need to give these people a break.

[John]

Most precincts in the Charlottesville/Albemarle area are showing 3-1 voting in the Democratic primary over the GOP primary. The Dem majority figures, given the local demographic and the more competitive Dem race, but I thought it might be closer to 2-1.

[Carrington]

Voting took 20 minutes at 6am this morning at Mary Mumford in Richmond's near west end--disorganization as poll workers tried to check names in both sets of books. 10-1 dems to R's voting.

[Carrington]

Note that I'm certain that the 10-1 evened out as the morning progressed. Just demonstrated early enthusiasm in a reasonably republican district.

[Chris Dumler]

Great turnout in Charlottesville/Albemarle - no hard numbers, but anecdotal evidence would seem to confirm that Dem turnout is 2 to 3 times higher than GOP turnout. Both Hillary and Obama have signs out - however, Obama has visibility tables at every precinct I've been to (12 so far), whereas Hillary has none.

[phriendlyjaime]

My poll workers appeared to be illiterate, which I guess may be fitting given my Church Hill precinct.

Each voter had to wait about five minutes for the two poll workers to find a name and home address before they would give a voter a ticket to vote.

Posted by: Church Hill Dem | February 12, 2008 at 08:26 AM

Ugh, this is why I am going after work. Church Hill is stuck in a time warp. Ever gone to The Market on a Sunday afternoon? Good luck.

[Pete in Williamsburg]

Very quiet when I voted at 8:00am. About 100 had voted before me. No poll workers for either side.

Woman of Choice, thanks for voting. By the way, it's a Democratic ballot, not a Democrat ballot. Also, cool NLS handle.

[Matt]

I was number 179 in the Fairlington Precinct, about 30 people behind me. Absolutly no Republicans.

[Matt]

FYI, that was about 7:30am

[Church Hill Dem]

phriendlyjaime,

I'd sooner pick from the dumpster of the Hill Cafe than shop at the Market. For chrissakes, you better pack a lunch before you get in line.

[11th Voter]

At silverbrook at 7:40 , I was the 100th voter in the L-Z line for the Dem. primary. A-K looked like it had had about 95-96 Dem primary voters. Quick glance at the Republican tally sheet for L-Z showed about 40 voters through.

[notgretchenbulova]

Berkeley Precinct in Williamsburg at 156 at 9:20.

367 people voted in Democratic primary in 2004

[Ricky]

I was number 80 at 8:30 a.m. at a small but heavy Democratic precinct in Norfolk. Only 44 people voted there in the 2006 Webb v. Miller primary, so seems to be heavier interest.

Virginia Beach will be key. Hillary continues to claim that she has strong Military support, which baffles me because retired & active duty military that I know are not supporting her. (The Veterans for Hillary rally scheduled for yesterday in Norfolk was canceled. Plus, Obama is getting more financial support from active duty personnel.)

Still, VB could be telling. Although it usually goes Republican, it has a strong Democratic demographic, but relatively few blacks.

[Jamie Gregorian]

In exit polls of the Gregorian household, Barack Obama held a commanding 2-0 lead. Lines at the mailbox for sending in an absentee ballot were light.

[Doug in Mount Vernon]

Turnout in the precinct of Woodlawn in the Mount Vernon District is astoundingly high. We've already surpassed the number of voters in the 2004 primary, the general election last year, and we appear to be on pace to match federal year turnout in a non-Presidential (about 1200). In a primary!!

That's excellent news since the turnout is VERY heavy for Obama. I think I've had one person tell me they're supporting Hillary compared to about 60 for Obama, but one thing is also true--everyone LOVES both our candidates.

[Doug in Mount Vernon]

At 10 AM, the turnout was over 400 and the lines have never disappeared. Lots of people leaving saying they'll come back later in the day or evening--kinda worries me!

[Tatum]

At 7:45 AM there were about 25 people in line at Mechanicsville's Cold Harbor Poll. Probably 20% were African Americans, a high percentage for the neighborhood. No one under the age of 30.

My guess is there were a lot of crossover Republicans. I couldn't guess whether they were anti-Clinton Republican or Ann Coulter desciples. Anybody's guess.

[Doug in Mount Vernon]

Oh yeah, the other interesting thing is that the turnout in Woodlawn is 9-1 Democratic...

[Scott Surovell]

Very heavy Democratic turnout all across Fairfax County.

[Not Chuck Robb]

At 10:15am, I was voter #401 today at Courtlands precinct in Clarendon (Arlington). By comparison, there were 918 voters total in the Webb-Allen '06 general. Combination of high interest and a fast growing neighborhood.

I live in DelRay (Alexandria) - at 9am, I was the 50th Republican voter vs. like 226 Dems. And that was just at the L-Z table (last names). The lines were out to the door. Heavy black turnout...

[Not A.E. Dick Howard]

"[D]isorganization as poll workers tried to check names in both sets of books."--Carrington

Aren't the poll workers obliged to check the name off in both sets of books, to make sure that a person voting in one party's primary doesn't come back later to vote in the other party's?

[PM]

Turnout at Poplar Tree in Western Fairfax was 12% by 10 am; the poll worker said they projected 30% turnout. A Democratic worker at a table had both Obama and Clinton lit, and petitions for Mark Warner for Senate.

A hard working member of the party. It's nasty out there today.

I will be glad when we pick someone so we can focus on November.

Feel better NLS

[Lola Quintela]

At 11:00, Oak Marr Precinct in Fairfax County, the count was:
377 Democratic
147 Republican
About 30 people were waiting to vote; it took me about 25 minutes to get to the front of the line. Only two workers checking ID, name, etc. Slow and inefficient process. Many frustrated voters. Some walked in, saw the line, walked out.

[phriendlyjaime]

phriendlyjaime,

I'd sooner pick from the dumpster of the Hill Cafe than shop at the Market. For chrissakes, you better pack a lunch before you get in line.

Posted by: Church Hill Dem | February 12, 2008 at 09:49 AM

God, I hate the Hill Cafe.

[Terry]

Ben,

Hope you feel better. I am waiting for a report from Fairview...have you voted??

[Church Hill Dem]

phriendly,

THC (the cafe, not the chemical) does suck. Just yuppies comin on down to go slummin in the Hill.

And now Acapella and Jumpin J's are both closed... I'm stuck getting my tender vittles from the Blue Wheeler market (where I can also get my checks cashed and kerosene jug filled!)

[linda b]

as for dissing the poll workers. why don't you volunteer. they are begging for workers to help at the polls.
stop you complaining.

PW Conservative, I am also a Nokesville precinct. No signs, no lit, no lines. At 11:30, 121 Dems, 127 Repubs.

[Outside Observer]

Democratic voter number 49 in precinct 607 (Main Street Station--Richmond) at 10:40AM.

Only 31 voters participated in the 2004 Democratic Presidential Primary. Yay turnout and downtown revitalization!

[Carrington]

Not AE--

They're absolutely required to do so--they just didn't have their system down yet so both were talking at once.

They weren't doing anything incorrect, they were just slow (disorganized).

Perhaps their fingers got more nimble as the morning wore on.

[Interested Observer]

UPDATE!!!!

According the the Board of Elections, the only legitimate reasons for submitting an absentee ballot are:

"You may vote absentee, either by mail or in person, if you are unable to go to the polls on Election Day because you ...

are a student or the spouse of a student attending a school outside Fairfax County
will be away from Fairfax County on business
will be working and commuting for 11 or more hours between 6 a.m. and 7 p.m.
will be away from Fairfax County on personal business or vacation
are unable to go to the polls because of illness or disability (see below for physical disability or illness)
are the primary caretaker of a confined family member
have a religious obligation
are confined awaiting trial
are confined having been convicted of a misdemeanor
are an election official
are on active duty in the military outside Fairfax County
are the spouse or dependent residing with a member of the military outside Fairfax County
are an overseas citizen* whose most recent United States residence was in Fairfax County"

Part D of the Absentee Ballot Form states "I declare under penalty of law that, to the best of my knowledge, ...

- The facts contained in this application are true and correct.
- I have not and will not vote in this election at any other place in Virginia or any other state."

The Hillary campaign is blatantly violating the election law and trying to subvert the electoral process for cheap political gain. Clearly there should be an investigation!

Didn't see any presence for the 11th CD primary candidates. WTF?

[Alex P Keaton]

I heard she used the General Lee at an election rally this morning....

[fannyboy]

fannyboy proudly cast his ballot today for Barack Obama!

[Alex P Keaton]

Fannyboy

Did they give your ass a second vote? First time I ever clicked on where you link your name just now, and may i say WOW that's an ass...

-APK

[CarolineProgressive]

I was #100 in the K-Z line in Bowling Green at noon. 180 voted in 2004 when John Kerry won B.G. and an impressive 39 voted in 2006 when Harris Miller won B.G. (stupid open primaries!).

[fannyboy]

APK-

No they didn't although they did have to let me use a special booth.

[phriendlyjaime]

phriendly,

THC (the cafe, not the chemical) does suck. Just yuppies comin on down to go slummin in the Hill.

And now Acapella and Jumpin J's are both closed... I'm stuck getting my tender vittles from the Blue Wheeler market (where I can also get my checks cashed and kerosene jug filled!)

Posted by: Church Hill Dem | February 12, 2008 at 11:29 AM

Church Hill Dem, Thadd and I used to hit up Accapella's at least once a week. I am so saddened by that loss to the community. Long time regular "Rick from Ohio" is suppsedly buying it, but getting all of the permits and the ABC approvals will take over a year, I am sure.

I might know you...

[George Templeton]

I voted in the Dumbarton precint at 11:45 a.m. I was no. 67 on the GOP side. The lady that was about to vote at the same time was no. 297 on the Democratic side. I was a bit surprised by that large a disparity. The ladies at the table said there was line out the door when the polling place opened. Not sure how it compares to turnout in other elections but it seems like a hell of a lot more than 2004, 2006 or 2007.

[Not Ted Stevens]

Just voted in Hummer Precinct in Fairfax

241 Democrats
to
96 Republicans

have voted

[not virgil goode]

I was voter number 42 in the D Primary at 7:30AM at a Lunenburg County Precinct that voted 27 voters all day long in the 2005 primary

[brimur]

Man, IO is on a roll. S/he has made NLS satire into an artform.

[not virgil goode]

67 all day in 2004
42 by 7:30 am 2008

[notgretchenbulova]

The weaker candidate is pretty obvious. It's HRC

[Not John S. Mosby]

I have received multiple emails and calls from Republicans encouraging turnout for Obama. Since McCain has the nomination sealed, they feel that voting for Obama is a good move since he's unwinnable in a general election in VA against McCain. I believe they are right.

[brimur]

Not John Mosby: That's about as convincing and reliable as Bush telling us what Osama bin Laden wants- Democrats elected, withdrawal, etc.

[Interested Observer]

Let's see, who would be the weaker candidate? I'm guessing the who who is getting schooled 2-1 right now. Am I the only one who senses the irony of the Vast Right Wing Conspiracy (tm) salvaging the Clinton Campaign?

For what it is worth, John McCain has personally called me twice today to encourage me to vote for him, so I'm not buying this strange theory that Republicans are organizing to manipulate Democratic results. At least not the McCain people. They need a few wins....

[LAS]

Just back from a break at Westgate precinct (home of George Allen). Haven't seen him yet today--not sure if I missed him or what.

Although this precinct is 60-40 (R/D) turnout is definitely higher for the democrats. I did meet one professed Republican who told me she voted for Obama--not sure if this was because he is preceived as the weaker candidate, because she also expressed an anti-Clinton opinion and signed our petition for Mark Warner.

If the Republicans are coming out in big numbers to vote in the Democratic primary, this may well bite them in the ass, if Huckabee wins/comes close to winning the state. Certainly McCain is not pulling in the kind of numbers one would expect from a presumptive nominee.

This is getting interesting!

[LAS]

Ben, I hope you feel better soon.

Been there, done that. I feel your pain. I know your pain. God bless.

[Interested Observer]

OBAMA JUMPS OUT TO BIG LEAD!!!!

Between fannyboy, my spouse and I voting this morning, I can now confirm that Obama has jumped out to a massive 3-1 lead over Hillary, overcoming her initial, illegal surge in the polls that she established on 7 January. Just guessing here, but I think these early morning totals are going to hold up....

[Not John S. Mosby]

Brimur, the people calling/emailing, all five are FCRC people I've known since the 90s.

[Richmond voter]

This morning, in my north richmond/ginter park precinct, i was the 108th dem voter. the lady in front of me was the 8th GOP voter

[Benjamin]

IS that seriously how you are planning to spin an Obama victory ? "Republicans were told to vote for the weaker candidate" ? LOL

[Not John S. Mosby]

Primaries and caucuses are gamed one way or another practically every time there is one, provided that there aren't two equal primaries at the same time. If McCain was running neck in neck with Romney or Huckabee or whoever, then you would find the numbers to be very similar for both Dem and Rep turnout - unless you think Virginia is suddenly overwhelmingly Democratic.

As is, you have one candidate pretty much winning his nomination, so of course there's crossover to hurt the other side. We do it all the time if a Democrat is running unopposed and the Republicans have a primary to determine the opponent. This is the main reason why Republicans are so jazzed about closed primaries and having mandatory party registrations, and why they avoid primaries if they can and go with caucuses. Much easier to control, you don't have the x-factor of voters gaming the election with the intent on hurting the party, not helping.

[Tatum]

Yo John S Mosby.

I think you're right about an Obama-McCain race.

Obama has zero national security credentials. It would be a Republican blowout.

Obama's appeal extends no further than the emotional "hope" appeal we've already seen. He has no credentials.

[Charlie]

Err, that picture is wrong, I think. I work around there (Firehouse in Rosslyn) and where that car is being towed is NOT voter parking (that is on Quinn St).

[Church Hill Dem]

Do they really tow your car in Arlington if you've gone over the time limit?

Down here in Richmond, where admittedly we're a little bit lazier, your car would only get towed if you had a gagillion outstanding parking tickets.

I'm not defending the incident -- towing sucks -- but could something else have been going on or corroborating the towing?

from Richard Cohen in the Post today:

"My Feb. 5 column was critical of Hillary Clinton for supporting a bill to make flag burning illegal. I have since learned from a reader that Barack Obama also supported that bill."

Sigh.

[Anonymous Is A Woman]

I wasn't feeling well today and stayed home from work, so I voted at around 11:30 rather than early morning or after work.

At Fairview, at around 11:30, there was a bit of a line. Not too long but a wait of about 10 minutes - unusual for that time of day. A poll worker told me that turn out was at 20%, which she said was high for that early in the day for a primary.

I didn't get a sense of how many were for the Dems and how many for Repubs.

But outside the polling place, there was a strong Democratic presence and none for the Republicans. That's also unusual.

Usually Fairview has good Republican poll coverage.

Also, I doubt that Republicans are being told to vote in the Democratic primary - that's just spin. McCain can't afford to take anything for granted. In fact, I received three phone calls for McCain and just got my first Obama call - a robo call from Tim Kaine - just now.

The McCain folks have been working the phones to get out anybody they think is their vote.

[John]

Tatum - Obama's credentials (or Hillary's for that matter) is that he won't keel over in office or be forced to leave after one term b/c he's so darn old. Admiral Greybeard will get trounced in November no matter who he runs against. And that includes a Dem victory here in VA. McCain's cobwebs are more of a liability than anything facing either of the Dems. The American people don't want another senile Jellybelly presidency.

[Interested Observer]

Tatum - by your logic, Al Gore should have walked away with the election in 2000. Even if national security weren't as prevalent as it is today.

Let's look at another, similar election. This one at the height of the Cold War. One highly experienced candidate and one not-so with a significant "minority" affliction (Catholicism). Nixon - Kennedy. Close race, but Kennedy prevailed. But the country wasn't perceived to be a mess like it is now, so I'm guessing that helps Obama/Clinton.

If I were to vote in the Republican Primary, then I would vote for the stronger candidate. Call it the Tom Davis Syndrome if he had run for Senate or McCain in 2000. Getting the Republicans to move to the middle is not a bad thing. I'm sure Republicans look at the Democratic race the same way, not as a political game with November in mind. However, I still think Hillary is who they WANT to run against in their heart of hearts....

[phriendlyjaime]

Tatum, is that why all polls show him easily beating McCain in November?

I don't understand your logic.

[Bnova]

Hey Charlie,
whats your opinion on whats causing extra cars to be in the area of the polling places at that time of day on feb. 12? Is there a special at the Red Hot and Blue I should know about?

At 9am I was #238 at Arlington 15-Lyon Park Precinct, that's nearly 10% of registered voters there. The line was an hour long, there were plenty of available voting booths, but only one voter's registrar book to check people in.

[Bubba]

Blue Ridge foothills area -super high republican precinct, low turnout thus far.

[proudvadem]

ARGH! I am still at work and can't wait to go vote. I've heard there are lines in Norfolk at various polling places. Which means, when I get out of work there will be longer lines.
Which is ok but I want to vote NOW!
Jamie Gregorian has the right idea!

[Brian]

"there were plenty of available voting booths, but only one voter's registrar book to check people in."

I saw the same bottleneck in Rosslyn. Multiple booths, but only one person could go through the 4 people manning the voter list at one time.

The booth took a fraction of time spent showing your id and crossing your name off the list.

[Charlie]

#Bnova;

No, turnout is impressive. Haven't seen it like this since 2000, when they had problems with the voter roll (new system?)

BUT: that parking is not meant for voting. I'm taking a walk outside and give you an update.

[Brandon Bell]

I just voted in SW Roanoke County and saw NO McCain signs. None at any of the 5-6 precincts I drove past. My prediction Huckabee wins 6th and 9th congressional maybe by 50%+. Also the vote totals are almost even between the Democrat turnout and Republican. This in a roughly 60% traditionally GOP precinct. Much more energy on the Dem side.

[Bnova]

Thanks for taking a look Charlie.

I think we all know that the parking isn't meant for voting, but still - its pretty sad to be towing people while they're waiting in line to vote regardless.

[Alex P Keaton]

Brandon Bell,

A Huackabee supporter. So wait, Brandon Bell supports someone who increased taxes multiple times while in office. Son of a biscut that makes sense.

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA...

-APK

connolly and doug d. material at my polling place....nothing for byrne...what happened ben?

[jonp72]

Lines were ridiculous at the Oakland Precinct in Arlington County. I was the 320th voter at 10AM, after waiting in line two hours. They only had one line, and they would only check in one voter at a time, even though my fiancee insists that they checked in more than one voter at a time during primaries with much lower turnout. At best, they processed only 100 voters per hour. And they allowed elderly voters (including one with a Hillary sticker inside the polling station) to be taken to the front of the line. Other non-elderly but disabled voters (a very visibly pregnant woman and a woman with a broken leg) were not offered the same courtesy.

[phriendlyjaime]

Stickers/t-shirts/signs etc are by no means allowed in the polling place. Allowing people to cut in line while others are not allowed is also unnacceptable.

I and others would appreciate it if you filed a formal complaint to at least ensure that those poll workers are never again allowed to work a polling station.

[ArlingtonDem]

I'm hearing that Republicans are crossing over and voting for Hillary. They think she's the weaker candidate.

[Charlie]

Bnash: the prking across from rh&b is for voting. i wasa wrong.

at wilson precint, i was 640 in the d primary. Usually that is turnout In general. 140 on R side? didnt get a good look

[notgretchenbulova]

I've never understood why you can't wear a sticker in the polling place. That is such a dumb rule.

[phriendlyjaime]

NGB, it's all about influence. Like, if you were waiting on line about to vote for Hillary, and your neighbor who you loathe and detest walks in and has a Hillary sticker on, and you change your mind bc you hate your neighbor just that much.

It's lame and pathetic, but I think it's a fine rule.

[hackster]

My understanding is that you can wear anything you want in a polling place if you are registered to vote there. (1st Amendment, free speech, etc.)

But if you are an campaign volunteer who is not registered to vote at that polling place who needs to go inside to use the facilities or ask a question, you have to take off the political stuff. I can't imagine they would make you take off your t-shirt, though, just the stickers.

[notgretchenbulova]

Hackster - That to me is a better rule.

I should be able to wear whatever I want into the polling station.

PJ - If people's minds are changed b/c of your hypothetical they are pathetic.

[Brandon Bell]

Wow attacked by a fictitious TV character. Guess I won't sleep tonight.

[notgretchenbulova]

Hackster - That to me is a better rule.

I should be able to wear whatever I want into the polling station.

PJ - If people's minds are changed b/c of your hypothetical they are pathetic.

[Pete in Williamsburg]

Everytime I hear about cross-over "mischief" voting, I get a little concerned, but in living memory, can anyone recall an instance where it worked? I remember hearing about how Republicans were going to put Harris Miller on the ballot but that turned out to be nothing but blog air.

[LAS]

Hackster, I believe you are incorrect. At least, both R and D volunteers (who vote at the same precinct)have always been prohibited from wearing attire or stickers promoting a particular candidate.

One young man wearing a Bush t-shirt last time around had to take it off and turn it inside out.

[Alex P Keaton]

Come on Brandon, give us bloggers an explanation for any of the tax increases you voted for? Several of them exist. I would love to hear why on just one.

Was it because you weren't popular in high school and voting for the 2004 tax increase was your chance to hang out with the cool kids like Big John and Russ???

around 2:30 - white oaks/burke - #222 Democratic - don't know Republican.

No literature.
No petition to get Warner on the ballot - and the woman thought I didn't know where I was when I asked for it. Said, "This is a Presidential Primary."
Ummmmm - really?

[Brandon Bell]

Alex,

I generally don't reply to TV characters but for your information I didn't vote for the 2004 tax increase.

You might want to check the record before you peck on your keyboard.

For any other details you desire just go on my blog at Roanoke Red Zone and scroll through the history.

[LexDem]

As of 3 PM...

Looks like overall turnout will end up above 35%, about double the last two presidential primaries. Dems had 616 voting slips issued vs. only 233 for Repubs. While Lexington reliably votes Democratic, it looks like we could end up with over 70% of votes cast on the Dem side -- that's impressive. Also, I think the historically heavy turnout suggests that the "Obama effect" is happening here in the valley. It's all good.

YES, WE CAN!!

[Alex P Keaton]

If I recall Brandon, and I do, HB 5008 was the budget bill passed in special session one, which did include several individual tax increases.

Now I know the word fee doesn't count as a tax in your eyes, and if you vote for it before you vote against it, it isn't a tax increase, but guess what buddy. Conservatives count you as a tax hiker...

[Brandon Bell]

Alex,

Sorry buddy! Was unable to vote on 5018 because I was on a business trip in Detroit, MI on the April 27th day. Some of us have to actually work for a living. I opposed the senate bills that year and would have voted no again. And if you take the lame__s opinion that I would have voted for the bill had I been there then you should note Sen. Obenshain also missed that vote.

It is fasinating to me that somehow fictitious characters speak for all conservatives. Listen I have run for the Senate in four election cycles, always as a conservative, and had over 60,000 votes cast for me. How many conservative voters have walked in a polling place and voted for Alex P. Keaton.

[Brandon Bell]

Meant SB 5008. Typo.

[Terry]

Anonymous IAW...

Thanks for the Fairview upddate! If that 20% around noon was on target that's getting close to the total for the precinct for the 2004 primary (487). Can't wait to see the final results tonight!