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...the fuck...?

Terry

If this woman still has a job come November something is seriously wrong.

Michael J. Fox had first-hand experience with his disease, and Angelina Jolie has first-hand experience with this...what's the problem with either testifying?

Michael J. Fox testified for desperately needed stem cell research to help cure his Parkinson's Disease. What's your point?

Terry

"Michael J. Fox testified for desperately needed stem cell research to help cure his Parkinson's Disease. What's your point?"

That's hardly the same thing and you know it. Michael J Fox said we should fund stem-cell research, Drake is pretending Jolie is some war expert while she and other Bush lackeys conveniently ignored and chastised army generals who spoke out against Iraq.

Yeah, Fox lives day in and day out with a degenerative illness. Jolie gets the same sort of street cred on security in Iraq when she's spent a deployment on the firing line instead of meeting with Iraq's do nothing political "leaders" in the Green Zone for 20 minutes.

That's the problem with Thelma Drake, actually, she thinks spending 20 minutes in Baghdad makes someone an expert.

RichmondDem (Not J.C.)

Its funny, Republicans always rail against "Hollywood" but always seem to use it anyway.

Jolie is a U.N. representative...not just some unqualified Hollywood personality seeking don't-I-look-good-for-being-here-publicity.

Drake is a high-school drop-out and former struggling realtor. She's in the seat because Schrock had an exciting sex-life. To her, everyone seems smart.

Brian Kirwin

I'm so glad Democrats are showing their usual focus on issues, which is none.

Jim Hoeft

Are you kidding me? Celebrities testify before Congress all the time. You guys are just upset because Jolie doesn't support your position. Somebody says "we need to stay to help the children" and suddenly liberals cry "we don't want to be in the nation-building business."

Hypocrites.

RichmondDem (Not J.C.)

The only person who said he opposed "nation building" was your very own George W. Bush in 2000.

PWConservative

I Think this is great, Ms Jolie has years of humanitarian experience and can bring a lot to the table, Methink's the liberals don't like celebrities who aren't constantly screaming anti-war slogans

RichmondDem (Not J.C.)

I can't speak for all liberals but (personally) I don't care when they give public support to a particular candidate.

But when they start fancying themselves "experts" on subjects because they throw a lot of money around on them, that annoys me.

Nevertheless, shes going to push the United States to take in more Iraqi refugees. I find it funny the people who scream NO AMNESTY seem to be supporting her in this.

Jim Hoeft

RD (nJC),
You're absolutely right.

Yet, here we are in 2008, and roles are completely reversed.

It's amazing what eight years and an attack on your country will do.

But forget that...Dems are all supposed to be all about helping those that are downtrodden, and here is an opportunity to do good.

What do Dems do? Ridicule and chide.

Politics as usual. Winning at all costs. Could care less about doing what's right...just what wins.

RichmondDem (Not J.C.)

I'm not against nation-building. I'm against dumb nation building.

If by "nation bulding" you mean Bosnia and Kosovo where there is wide international support (both financial and military) for what we are doing, with very little harm coming to American troops, then I'm fine with it.

If you mean Iraq, where nearly 4,000 soldiers have died and countless billions spent under false pretenses, then thats not "nation building" I can get behind.

RichmondDem (Not J.C.)

"an attack on your country will do."

Read this real closely now. I'd put it in larger font if I could.

Iraq. Did. Not. Attack. Us. On. 9/11.

cageyd

HAHAHAHAHA. This certainly is one of the most hilarious articles I have read on NLS. When Sean Penn, Susan Sarandon and Tim Robbins open their mouths, apparently we must treat their babblings as wisdom of the ages but when someone like Angelina Joli has the audacity to challenge the standard liberal mantra, she is mocked, her credibility attacked and her observations denigrated. This knee-jerk liberal reaction is truly hilarious - HAHAHAHAHA.

Guess Who

"If you mean Iraq, where nearly 4,000 soldiers have died and countless billions spent under false pretenses, then thats not "nation building" I can get behind"

Hey, RdnJC,

Tell me how you cried "false pretenses" at Bill Clinton when he advocated doing the EXACT SAME THING Bush ended up doing.

Tell me what you thought of Iraq funding terrorists who attacked and killed American citizens.

Tell us you reaction when the 2/93 terrorists were found to have been harbored in Iraq.

Tell us your reaction to the discovery of Saddam's document that outlined how he was keeping his WMD program alive.

Tell us your reaction to the U.N.'s "Oil for Palaces" scandal.

Tell us your reaction to Clinton's bombing raids on Iraq, Serbia, and Sudan, NONE OF WHICH were authorized by Congress or supported by U.N. resolutions.

Most of all, tell us what your criteria are for use of American military power.

And for extra credit:

Germany. Did. Not. Attack. Us. On. 12/7/1941. Hypocrite.

Meanwhile, just "say no to war unless a Democrat is President."

And for Ben, you too can tell us what are your criteria for U.S. military involvement, as well as your evaluation of the situation in Iraq. I mean, since you are so quick to criticize, why don't you tell us why or whether you disagree?

Newport News Dem

"Ms. Jolie's experience as a U.N. goodwill ambassador has given her the opportunity to travel to Iraq, speak with our military leadership and gain a ground-view understanding of how our long-term strategic objectives in Iraq and the region are met," Drake said."

How, might I ask, does a goodwill Ambassador become a an expert on strategic thinking? It does not. It might give her insight on the suffering of the Iraqi people, but that is it. That is what is laughable about this whole Drake idiocy.

"As co-chair of the Human Trafficking Caucus, I too share Ms. Jolie's concerns about the humanitarian aspects of the conflict in Iraq and the well-being of the refugees in neighboring countries."

To bad you supported opening the gates of hell to begins with, you twit. By the way, my gop apologists, is 3 trillion dollars and 40,000 American casualties not a sufficient price to pay for a war that was not needed to be waged? I bet every one of you guys were spearheading the need to provide humanitarian assistance to the people of Iraq who suffered under the sanctions imposed in the 90's! I bet every one of you was supported the oil for food and medicine program to alleviate the suffering of the Iraq people. Your blathering here is just hypocritical BS and I 'aint buying it.

I am glad Ms Jolie is bringing her fame to highlight the everyday horrors going on in Iraq. The ethnic cleansing, the rampant death toll (up 36% in Feb. over Jan.) the millions of Iraqi refugees, both internal and external. Bless her for it. It will take much to clean up the mess Thelma and shrub have created.

dems4dems

Cageyd - They're mocking Thelma Drake. Angela Jolie can go make out with her brother for all I care.

RichmondDem (Not J.C.)

How the hell did Kellam lose to that nitwit again?

cageyd

dem4dem - May I quote from the original article:

"I wonder if Angelina would have time to give me a little of that "crucial insight" also..."

"WHY HAVE CONGRESSIONAL DEMOCRATS NOT CALLED ANGELINA JOLIE TO TESTIFY ON IRAQ? WHAT ARE THEY TRYING TO HIDE?!?!?!"

Perhaps NLS has an issue with Congresswoman Drake, but the mocking and denigration was all about Angelina Joli.

Dude, has anyone taken a moment to notice the GoogleAds that ended up getting selected to run with this post? "Watch Leaked Celebrity Video They Don't Want You To See, Free!" indeed.

cageyd, let me help support your argument by make sure it is absolutely clear: I am definitely mocking both the woman who had sex with Billy Bob Thornton and the woman who thinks we should trust the judgement of a woman who would have sex with Billy Bob Thornton. I fully support a dialogue on the refugee situation going on in Iraq, and I'm glad Angelina Jolie cares about it. But why anyone thinks we should have Angelina Jolie testify about the security situation in Iraq because she talked to a general--rather than having the generals themselves come and testify--is the textbook definition of "stupid."

cageyd

I will concede your point as long as the next time - and I repeat myself - that Sean Penn, Susan Sarandon, or Tim Robbins pontificate on a subject infinitely beyond their limited knowledge that you will call their statements equally stupid. And, by the way, I really don't know or care who Billy Bob is.

Cageyd, I guess you never saw Bad Santa?

It's a deal. I don't give a crap what Sean Penn has to say about crap. Michael J. Fox ought to be free to testify as to what it's like living with a degenerative illness because he has first-hand, intimate knowledge of that particular subject, but outside of that obscure example of someone from Hollywood being in the unique position of having something insightful to say, I don't really give a damn.

thepoetryman

I respect her goodwill drive and I could care less if she cheerleads for the right or the left or green...Her wanting to help the children of Iraq and the people of this occupied nation is noble... but... if her testimony can in any way be used to keep us in Iraq for another day longer... she might have more blood on those manicured fingers than anyone has yet to point out.

Failed policy, failed leadership, failed exit strategy and a failing government will not be swayed by what appears to be a publicity boon for the neocons.

If she had come back to the states and said withdrawing the troops will save more lives than any humanitarian mission led by me can achieve... do you honestly believe that they would want her testimony? If you think they would you'd be greatly mistaken.

BlueIndependent

As much as cageyd and Jim want to muddy the issue to redirect blame onto Democrats, the truth is they are, of course, 100% wrong.

McCain was rightly criticized for going to Iraq, and walking around with every friendly gun within 20 miles of the place guarding him in plain site, and saying everything was just great. Angelina does the same and somehow that's different or better? Please. If Angelina stepped outside the GZ for 5 minutes she'd probably be dead. Not what I'd call a resounding security success repubs. There are real soldiers returning telling the opposite story that McCain tried selling. That is inescapable. Angelina thinking everything is hunky dory doesn't make it so. And as usual, and as someone else pointed out, you guys hate Hollywood until it serves your opportunism. While they have Angelina in there, why don't they just call in Toby Keith and Chuck Norris too. I'm sure their big bad toughness would show those wimpy Dems!

You two can take your trash arguments somewhere else. You guys are wrong, the repugs were wrong to go in, it's not helping anyone to stay. That's reality. I'm sorry that truth tightens your pink panties. The leaders of *your* party got us in this mess, and continue to act like everything is just great over there. Your party deserves every bit of derision it gets. You've broken all your promises, you've done the opposite of everything you supposedly stood on, and you've tangled us into a sectarian war.

Thanks. Thanks a lot.

dangovich

Well stated, BlueIndependent.

eric

HAHAH Angelina Jolie does more in one day for this country then you ignorant snobs do in a lifetime. Get a effing clue and start doing something, damn liberals.

maybe she'll talk a bit about the soldiers, those who are living it over there. the ones who live and possibly die to protect one another, the children and their beloved country.

I know you liberals get your panties in a wad when there is real work to do and when you see people finding out the truth you aways want to stifle it.

There is a truth beyond your liberal mikie moore crowd kooks, there is a truth that shows real americans, doing real things, helping real people indesperate times. something that you liberal democrats used to say you stood for.. that is before you quit standing for anything and started bending over the moore's and the obama's of the world.

There is a truth. Let it out. Let it shine like a beacon from the mountaintop of every free man, woman, and child, who one day will remember those soldiers who mended their wounds,fixed their infrastructure, played with their children. Those soldiers who did their job, so that those people could live, free, in peace with honor.

Something you coward liberals will never see, and are incapable of understanding.

ronshepston

dangovich, that is such a insightful comment and shows your true humanity to fellow Americans. Where did you learn to talk like that? Fox News? Rush Limbaugh? Sean Hannity?

Why don't you participate in the conversation instead of just attacking people with labels that you put on them? "Liberals" is a label that you've put on anyone you don't agree with but why don't you start with the label of "American"? Would it be as easy to resort to name calling? Don't you want a stronger and better America or are you just looking for someone to hate?

blueindependent,
Oh where to start.

lets just make it simple.
Your positions are thoughtless, childish and ill written.
You do not have a clue as to the facts of our situation. put down the democrat party talking sheets and open your eyes.(if you have enough sense to do so).

You are a gutless coward and anything you post here should be understood in the vain that you hate your country and would do anything to see us fail.

That probably makes you a pretty respected socialist, or communist amongst your friends. However here in America we don't really give a shit what your type think. So get with the program or get your sorry ass out of this country and find a nice place like cuba or russia, that you can call home.o

There are reasons one resorts to name calling:
A: To bully and belittle.
B: To disguise their insecurities with regards to the subject of a conversation.

If you can't debunk an opposing position with anything more than
"labels" and conjecture then you should reexamine your own opinion on the subject. I'm sure I'll be pasted with many "labels" when this post is read. Three things I'm not are republican, democrat or liberal. Somethings I agree with one side on and some I agree with the other side on. The one thing I'm absolutely certain of is they are all liars serving their own and their party's best interest. So for those who call themselves democrats I say this to you. "You CAN NOT expect to be seen as vigilant protectors of civil liberties and national security if you continue to refuse to standup to the current dictator in the Oval Office!" To those who call themselves republicans I say this to you. "You CAN NOT continue to blow hard and railroad bills thru on issues you claim to hold dear such as the sanctity of marriage and protecting children from pedophiles and then get caught in violations of those very laws!"
Calling someone a "liberal" simply because they choose to think for themselves rather than believe the spoon fed propaganda you get from such "reputable" outlets as Faux Noise and BillO is rather silly especially when everyone of your talking points can be destroyed by anyone with modem who dares research the truth for themselves.
With every fork in the road you happen upon it is a constant that dems will follow their shephards down the left path and repubs will follow their shephards down the right path. I'll be the guy with the machete going straight ahead.

daves

to the anonymous poster who said this:
"There is a truth beyond your liberal mikie moore crowd kooks, there is a truth that shows real americans, doing real things, helping real people indesperate times. something that you liberal democrats used to say you stood for.. that is before you quit standing for anything and started bending over the moore's and the obama's of the world.

There is a truth. Let it out. Let it shine like a beacon from the mountaintop of every free man, woman, and child, who one day will remember those soldiers who mended their wounds,fixed their infrastructure, played with their children. Those soldiers who did their job, so that those people could live, free, in peace with honor."

We are the ones who destroyed their infrastructure. In the first Gulf war and the illegal pre-emptive invasion of iraq. And contrary to what you might think, things are much worse since the invasion.

We caused their wounds, whether directly with bombings or indirectly by our mere presence due to the invasion. And all your name-calling will never change those facts.

Stracotta

You're calling blueindepenent's post cowardly and ill written? This is my first time here, but it sounded pretty concise to me--I guess the prose here must get pretty scholarly. Cowardly? Wah? "get with the program?" What program should we all get with? Please help all those crazy critical thinkers in this country who knew the whole Iraq invasion didn't pass the smell test--please help us get with that program.

Jack

Eric;
"HAHAH Angelina Jolie does more in one day for this country then you ignorant snobs do in a lifetime. Get a effing clue and start doing something, damn liberals."

I wonder if you and people like you realize how idiotic you actually sound.

BlueIndependent, sadly, is spot on with his accusations/suppositions.

The reason this country is in such a painful position world-wide is because of George W. Bush, one of the sorriest leaders the world has ever been sorry to have met. GWB has done more to promote hatred and fear in the world than any other leader in MY time. I'm 53.
What a sad thing to say.

What a sad, sad sack of a man.

What a blight on history...

Stracotta

You're calling blueindepenent's post cowardly and ill written? This is my first time here, but it sounded pretty concise to me--I guess the prose here must get pretty scholarly. Cowardly? Wah? "get with the program?" What program should we all get with? Please help all those crazy critical thinkers in this country who knew the whole Iraq invasion didn't pass the smell test--please help us get with that program.

Jack

I wonder what Angie thinks about Bush. Does she realize what a true monster he is? That he's a true terrorist?

I hope I'm wrong, but watch what happens when the actual elections roll around, folks.

Remember the "Dictator" comment. I truly and desperately hope I'm wrong.

t

I am becoming increasingly impressed with Thelma Drake.

Her pro-life credentials appear to be solid.

Tarro

"Somebody says "we need to stay to help the children" and suddenly liberals cry "we don't want to be in the nation-building business."

Hypocrites.
"
So now you stinking CON's want us to believe that the Iraq occupation is all about saving the children, to qoute this topic "HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!"
Jim Hoeft you are a tool and a fool, Republicans are the party of the been hads.
Go away now.


"I am becoming increasingly impressed with Thelma Drake.

Her pro-life credentials appear to be solid."

By "Pro Life" you mean Pro War with Iran right, you 1/2 Witt.

Dem Legislator in Search of Clue

What ever happened to all the Democratic alarms of a civil war?

What happened to telling Americans that our troops were caught in the crossfire of sectarian violence?

DStone

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/02/27/AR2008022702217_pf.html

I guess its too late to say don't get carried away with this. But I think it would be a good idea to READ Jolie's thoughts at the link above.

In the article AJ is only concerned about the humanitarian aspect of this thing. She never addresses the war itself. There is some disconnect going on as she states: the effort needs $261 million this year..."that is not a small amount of money -- but less than the US spends to fight the war in Iraq." Um...does she want us to keep spending on the war or add this amount to the war cost? And the humanitarian need is in Iraq where we are fighting the war.

Also her points that other countries are dealing with refugees and refugees are still in Iraq only suggests that this requires a multi-national effort. Any attempt to have other countries involved would require us to remove the Private Armies of war profiteers from Iraq. She never mentions Blackwater's affects on the Iraqi people or what BW might mean to any humanitarian efforts.

I for one would not mind seeing Drake prop AJ in front of congress to answer the whys and hows of this massive debacle. The Iraqi government needs to step up, take charge and help its own. Yes we need to help - take a backseat sort of roll - but if the Maliki government wants to bring its people together as one united group they need to lead. They need to ask for international aid, ask us to leave - which we should do in a controlled manner as a sign of respect to this new country (it builds their stature and therefore the confidence of the people that maybe, just maybe their government cares).

Anon

Please post the time when Ms. Jolie will be before the committee and where we can get tickets...

anon

Never been to this site before & probably won't again.

What a waste you people are.

Jolie has put her money where her mouth is time & again, opening her home & her heart to others & leading a decidedly non-Hollywood life.

And she sure as hell knows more about refugees, war orphans and human traficing than anyone here, so maybe she does have something to say that might be worth hearing.

You all are sitting around arguing like spoiled, self-indulgent brats. Wasting time with, "I know you are but what am I" level pissing contests.

Get off your computers and go out and DO SOMETHING to make the world better - which, like her or not, is what Jolie has been doing for years.

Not Larry Sabato

939 (Angelina): I'm honored you visited this blog.

Fade

Duh- sorry to burst your bubble- but this if this gets the focus back on Iraq- it's a good thing.

the ONLY thing that Amerkuns pay attention to IS Celebrities. Thank god that some of them actually take an interest in current affairs. We've had REAL experts talking for five years now and no one pays attention. It will take a tearjerking made-for-tv special to get us out of Iraq. so Please,stop bitching about Jolie doing her part.

Tatum

I'm trying to get Angelina to stop by my place to talk about Iraq over a drink. And why she doesn't dump that looser Brad. ...trade up.

Frankly, she'd be doing the country a much greater service by showing off that nice rack a little more often. And more lesbian scenes. Yeah.

Doug in Mount Vernon

First, let's make absolutely no mistake about this because some disingenuous partisan hacks are saying otherwise.

Invading Iraq had ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with nation-building. It had everything to do with politically stupid motivations behind even worse foreign policy that ended up doing far more nation-destroying than building.

Second, I actually think Jolie makes some excellent suggestions regarding the needs of refugees and the need to make sure we don't withdraw in a way that harms the people of Iraq.

Drake, on the other hand, looks more and more like the political opportunist that she is, and it's frankly borderline vomitous.

Fan of Integrity

How dense does someone have to be to realize that there is a refugee crisis in Iraq.
No shit.
There is nothing operationally or diplomatically that Jolie can bring to the table - and Drake is showing her unedumacated side by suggesting Jolie could. WTF is she thinking??????

First, let's make absolutely no mistake about this because some disingenuous partisan hacks are saying otherwise.

Invading Iraq had ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with nation-building. It had everything to do with politically stupid motivations behind even worse foreign policy that ended up doing far more nation-destroying than building.

Second, I actually think Jolie makes some excellent suggestions regarding the needs of refugees and the need to make sure we don't withdraw in a way that harms the people of Iraq.

Drake, on the other hand, looks more and more like the political opportunist that she is, and it's frankly borderline vomitous.

Rob

She's got more first hand experience of Iraq than 99% of you twits.

Karl K

That's Thelma Drake, R-VA.

http://www.thelmadrake.com/abouthelma.html

wakeup123

This skank is a homewrecker she shouldn't be anything lest have a postion in the UN, people would let anyone into an org. that have money, this woman is a known drug addict, and hates America, she shouldn't have any say so in our country or abroad

Angelina Jolie Gossips

LOL Angelina Jolie is Great, go all the way :)

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