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Barack Obama is in Union, Missouri- very close to Kaine's hometown.Kaine cancelled an appearance in Baltimore tonight with no reason given.UPDATE: Not going to happen tonight. Phew.
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Obama beats Clinton and Kaine helps beat Leslie Byrne. The very fact that they could be a team that wins big in the fall must drive you nuts.
Not Wayne Rooney |
July 30, 2008 at 02:48 PM
So, must we now be mad at Leslie Byrne for blowing the LG election in 2005?
If she had run a better campaign and won she would be in line to become Governor when Kaine becomes VP in January (and Ben would be celebrating the selection). It is clearly her fault that the Republicans will now get the Governor's mansion.
Ben, I think it is time for you to get started on a lengthy series of crazy, over the top, anti-Leslie posts. I regret it because I really like her, but, your duty is clear.
July 30, 2008 at 02:57 PM
For those of you who don't remember why Leslie and Creigh lost in 2005- I refer you back to this from December 31st, 2005:
Not Larry Sabato |
July 30, 2008 at 03:02 PM
Here's what I don't get about this site. Why the hatred focused on Kaine and Gerry Connelly and why no focus on the people that contributed to Leslie's lackluster campaign? Where have the posts been about Leslie's polling, both the poll in January that had her up 13 points? Either that was wrong and the pollster gave them bad information at the time, or Jeff Polack laid out a strategy that was doomed to fail.
Where is the post about the mail of Mission Control. My wife and I are coded as LD in the Van and have voted in Democratic primaries and we got zero pieces of mail from Leslie and 12-15 pieces from Gerry and his allies. And what about the quality of the mail? Cookie cutter mail similar to most other mail they do presenting their candidate as a "fighter" and a "true Democrat"? What about what she will do in Congress?
No criticism of the campaign staff who she paid about $50,000K+ in salaries and paid the top people $2-$3K more per month than Gerry did James Walkinshaw and essentially got their clock cleaned?
And no questions about Sean Gagen's bringing in "canvassers" who showed up at polling places, didn't pass out anything, and would disappear?
Every aspect of Leslie's candidacy broke down and people did not serve her well. I would think that would anger you more than Kaine's endorsement which I am willing to bet moved practically no voters toward Gerry.
Captain Spaulding |
July 30, 2008 at 03:04 PM
Kaine has no foreign policy background and Americans have come to expect one part of the ticket to have that.
Other than that, Kaine is a fantastic choice for VP. He helps pick up Virginia voters, he's a great fundraiser, he's fluent in Spanish, he's a former missionary and he's witty and clever on the stump.
Ben, come back. I'll bet Leslie has already forgiven him... if she ever had any hard feelings to begin with on this matter.
Pete in Williamsburg |
July 30, 2008 at 03:14 PM
This has nothing to do with Leslie, and I may start deleting comments that say this.
What is so hard for people to understand about Lowell and I objecting on numerous issues over the past 3 years. The primaries were the breaking point- not the cause of the anger.
Not Larry Sabato |
July 30, 2008 at 03:15 PM
Wow. This is typical of the Obama campaign. They would announce the VP pick in KANSAS for the Virginia Governor: making the other Governor of Kansas, a class act, look bad.
July 30, 2008 at 03:20 PM
It's less than 100 days until the election. It would sure be nice if all of us could focus on what is important and do all we can to elect every Democrat on the ticket.
We get it. You can hold a grudge as well and as long as the most obstinate of third graders. Now stop already!
Have you ever wondered how many Democrats around Virginia in 2005 might have displayed similar childishness over manufactured grievences from the LG primary? If they acted like you have they may have contributed to Leslie's defeat in 2005.
Perhaps instead of being the poster boy for this kind of destructive behavior you should be discouraging it.
What a concept! Closing ranks and uniting to achieve an important goal!
July 30, 2008 at 03:30 PM
If true, they must have decided that Kaine is the key to Kansas.
I had no idea Kansas was in play this year.
July 30, 2008 at 03:30 PM
Perhaps people don't "understand" -or find it hard to believe- that this has nothing to do with Leslie because they read you regularly and there is a history to base that assumption on.
If Obama makes a VP choice that I think stinks I will still support him over McCain without reservation.
July 30, 2008 at 03:34 PM
If Obama doesn't name Kaine his VP tonight I believe Ben will deserve FULL credit. As usual, the MSM will ignore this though...
Kirwin is a Hobbit Cock-Gobbler |
July 30, 2008 at 03:49 PM
Dan, you're right. At the end of the day the VP is worth a warm bucket of spit, which about sums up my opinion of Tim Kaine.
And it may be that picking the VP is not the first test of "political judgement" as the pundits like to say.
Note to Obama staff: You've run the tightest ship in American politics. Do you want to give the VP slot to a man who LEAKS like a sieve, and is likely to start complaining about his low profile role in the campaign? For the last four days all Kaine's staff has been doing is calling every reporter on the Bberrys to tell them Kaine is the pick. Don't YOU want control of that week of free press the VP pick will give you?
July 30, 2008 at 03:51 PM
So you are really going to vote for McCain/Romney, or McCain/Portman, or McCain/"Collapsing Bridges" Pawlenty if Kaine is picked?
How about McCain/CANTOR?
July 30, 2008 at 03:51 PM
Relax, Ben. Kaine is on the Eastern Shore with his daughter today. MSNBC spoke with him this morning. He's nowhere near Missouri.
July 30, 2008 at 04:01 PM
There is no question that Kaine has certain strengths. But, he has more than a few weaknesses. For starters, he hasn't exactly had a stellar record as governor. Name one lasting accomplishment. Aside from his strong presence in the wake of the VT shooting, I'm not sure that anyone here can point to anything substantive or lasting.
He's been aloof.
Did anyone catch Larry Sabato's assessment that Kaine belongs in the lower quartile of Virginia governors since 1962?
You can read all about it here: http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/07/vice_president_tim_kaine.html
At the end of the day, Kaine doesn't bring much to the table. I guess in the wake of his Magical Mystery Tour, Obama figures that he is now a foreign policy expert and doesn't require the services of someone with gravitas.
July 30, 2008 at 04:08 PM
Pete in Williamsburg,
It does not matter that Kaine has no foreign policy background.
Obama has that covered with his trip to Europe and the Middle East.
July 30, 2008 at 04:12 PM
Whenever a candidate tries to use his VP as "balance" they lose.
Bentsen, kemp, Lieberman etc.
Gore and Cheney were "double down" picks, and they won.
July 30, 2008 at 04:14 PM
In 88 Dukakis made an excellent choice with Bentsen.
Bush SR made the qorst choice in modern memory, Quayle.
Didn't change a thing. Veeps are overrated.
July 30, 2008 at 04:17 PM
Given Ben's "stellar" endorsing and predicting record of late, I gather we should inaugurate Kaine as VP as soon as logistically practicable.
July 30, 2008 at 04:20 PM
The problem with the previous anon. post at 4:14 is that Gore and Cheney both had gravitas and were considered to be heavy weights -- albeit hated by certain groups.
In Kaine's case, there is little gravitas but much in the way of hubris. But Kaine does have his own share of haters and detractors.
Sure, Kaine has a Harvard law degree. But I'm not certain that Middle America will relate much to two Harvards on one ticket. That's just too much Boston. Know what I mean, Vern?
July 30, 2008 at 04:22 PM
Rowhey, I don't know if you have been in a coma since 2001 but Virginia elected two Ivy League graduates in a row a Governor. Is Virginia not "Middle America" anymore?
July 30, 2008 at 04:27 PM
Its only a matter of tome before McCain starts running ads about Hitler now!
July 30, 2008 at 04:29 PM
Oh yeah and one is about to win our Senate seat this year, too.
July 30, 2008 at 04:30 PM
Rowhey,If you accept the "wisdom" of the chattering class then Obama must pick a runing mate with foreign policy "gravitas". I don't think Obama believes the talking heads on that one.
The McCain campaign may chant the mantra "the surge, the surge" over and over for the next 97 days but it won't obscure the fact that McCain fully supported the strategic blunder of invading Iraq in the first place. Not to mention the four years of Bush administration clusterfucking that resulted in our still being engaged in Iraq with well over 100,000 troops four years out.
Lots of folks still remember how American troop strength was supposed to be down to around 30,000 by the end of 2004 and that the cost of the war to American taxpayers was to be minimal because Iraqi oil revenue would pay the bulk of the cost.
No, Obama can fight McCain at least to a draw on foreign policy all by his lonesome. And I don't think they will let Lieberman stand behind McCain whispering in his ear during the debates.
The single most important issue in this election is the economy. That can be little comfort to McCain.
Kaine will be a perfectly fine choice.
July 30, 2008 at 04:34 PM
Dan thats really weak
McCain wanted more troops there to begin with which would have meant more security faster and we propably would be out of there by now.
July 30, 2008 at 04:41 PM
Remember folks, Tim kaine is such a lightweight he graduated from Harvard!
July 30, 2008 at 04:42 PM
John Garner said it was not worth a bucket of warm shit, but they changed it because of the time. As much as I HATE to admit it, I have to agree with NLS: Tim/Barack, don't do it. Bolling as Governor would be a pure f--king horrorshow that the Dems and VA could not recover from.
Not Frank Hargrove |
July 30, 2008 at 04:47 PM
Please be true, please be true, please be true.
July 30, 2008 at 04:47 PM
Union City is on the other side of Missouri near St. Louis. Kaine is from Overland Park, Kansas near Kansas City Missouri.
Unfortunately Obama and Kaine will not be making the dream come true tonight.
July 30, 2008 at 04:50 PM
Plus, for the last freaking time, Kaine is on the e Eastern Shore looking at ponies with his daughter today. I really doubt there's a plane in Accomack gased up and ready to fly to Missouri.
July 30, 2008 at 04:53 PM
No planes departed Accomack General Aviation Field nor Salisbury, MD regional airport for Missouri or any significant location for a political announcement.
July 30, 2008 at 04:58 PM
It won't be Kaine, and his real pick won't be announced until the olympics.
July 30, 2008 at 05:04 PM
Er, until after the olympics.
July 30, 2008 at 05:06 PM
Hubris? Aloof? I would be surprised if any measure of Virginians have that opinion of Kaine.
As for his lack of accomplishments, I maintain that if the House GOP had 4 or 5 more moderates, we'd all be talking about Kaine's successes with transportation. Funny thing is that though I'm a Kaine fan, I've never understood what he did that was so great after the VT shootings except cancel a trip and make some very nice remarks.
Overall, he's been extremely accessible via countless town hall meetings and he is generally known for his pleasant demeanor with all. Not to detract, but merely to compare, Gilmore chose to cast a more "hard around the edges" persona as governor and a candidate. Far from the case with Kaine.
Pete in Williamsburg |
July 30, 2008 at 05:21 PM
If you don't believe me perhaps you will then believe Larry Sabato. I'd direct your attention to Sabato's article here: http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/07/vice_president_tim_kaine.html
But on the issue of aloofness, Sabato specifically states the following: "[e]ven, Democratic legislators friendly to Kaine say privately that he is often a distant governor, certainly compared to Warner, inclined to give orders without thorough follow-up and flexibility."
With respect to hubris, Sabato writes "Obama and Kaine are both supremely self-confident, and their adversaries (and even some of their friends) occasionally detect a hint of hubris and arrogance."
I'm at a loss as to how you could state that you would be surprised if any measure of Virginians have that opinion.
Perhaps you are too busy kissing Kaine's ass to properly assess the public mood.
July 30, 2008 at 05:39 PM
To 4:53, if Kaine is in Chincoteague with his daughter, the state plane would likely fly in and out of the Wallops field adjacent to Chincoteague.
July 30, 2008 at 05:49 PM
What an idiot. Who's surprised? Here we go...just flying off and making false connections, based on NOTHING. Ben is wrong AGAIN. Ben makes himself look like an ass AGAIN.
Wake up folks, this guy has no idea what he's ever talking about.
Ian Jordan |
July 30, 2008 at 05:50 PM
Be easy on Republican hacks like Rowhey, Pete. Its been a couple tough months. First, they miss out on their dream of running against Hillary. Then they realize they're stuck with the reincarnation of Bob Dole.Now McCain is losing whatever respect and honor he had by going off the deep end with Jerry Kilgore style ads.
Get used to it Rowhey. Its only going to get worse for you.
Sorry Rowhey but its not going to get any better for you anytime soon.
Rick in Appomattox |
July 30, 2008 at 06:16 PM
I have to take exception with you. There are times when Ben does indeed know what he is talking about. He often does insightful objective analysis and often shares interesting stories well before they have been widely disseminated elsewhere.
Admittedly he does go off on these wild vendettas from time to time, but you can't write him off completely because of that. His fans try to overlook it. We are hoping he outgrows it.
July 30, 2008 at 06:26 PM
Rowhey, are places like Chesapeake, Virginia Beach, Loudoun, Prince William, and Henrico elitist and snobby?
Because Kaine won all of them in 2005.
July 30, 2008 at 06:28 PM
I really don't see Kaine as Obama's running mate...
...agree about too much Boston on one ticket comment above...
July 30, 2008 at 10:25 PM
Dan, it has been a long time since that has happened. I actually oppose Kaine for VP myself. But the fact is this blog is not about giving opinion and providing story. Its about being obnoxious to keep page views up. EVERYTHING is about tearing people down.
And in turn it has become the Always Wrong Rumor Mill. So Dan, understand where I come from. I have no respect for this blog or Ben or his/its defenders.
Ian Jordan |
July 30, 2008 at 11:22 PM
Then go away Ian.
And take Dan with you.
The two of you ad nothing of value to these hallowed pages.
t has prviously announced that the Kaine VP selection will be made official Monday or Tuesday of next week.
t has inside intel.
Ohhhhhhh, t Speaks
July 31, 2008 at 01:58 AM
I hold Larry Sabato's opinion in about as much regard as you hold mine... or I hold yours.
What else ya got?
Pete in Williamsburg |
July 31, 2008 at 10:32 AM
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