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So says the National Review. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!
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Let me get this straight, the flagship publication of conservative commentary had something derogatory to say about a Democrat?
Pete in Williamsburg |
July 31, 2008 at 01:30 PM
oh please Pete...everything in the article was true. the guy was just pointing out the fact that Kaine is SUCH a weak pick for Obama.
The article just says what everyone is thinking, including probably yourself, but you would never admit to that I am sure.
Kaine Sucks. Obama Sucks.
July 31, 2008 at 01:53 PM
Not to disagree with my friends at NR, but wouldn't Obama be Obama's Dan Quayle?
Dave Mastio |
July 31, 2008 at 01:55 PM
Okay, let me get this one straight, too: The guy who signs off with "Obama and Kaine suck, vote McCain" tells me that I'm too biased.
Pete in Williamsburg |
July 31, 2008 at 02:01 PM
Veeps are over-rated, period.
Who was a better pick? Quayle or Bentsen? Bentsen, clearly. Who won that election, by a lot? Bush/Quayle.
RoVA Ben |
July 31, 2008 at 02:11 PM
Hmm. This is interesting.
Kaine is nominated for VP. Republicans in Virginia get the Governorship. Huge win for the R if Obama/Kaine wins. Even if Obama/Kaine loses (presumably losing Virginia in the process) the R have demonstrated how weak Kaine is, and have a lock over 2009.
And yet I don't see Virginia Republicans enthused by the idea of Kaine being the VP pick.
Kaine is uninspiring, and a bit pompous, and that he why he is unpopular with both Ds and Rs. The only region of the state where his popularity is over 50% is Tidewater. Kaine on the ticket would actually hurt Obama in NOVA and be a draw everywhere else.
The people who should be the most enthused about Kaine being VP pick are Ds: it is the best way to get him out of the office and start campaigning for 2009.
July 31, 2008 at 02:37 PM
Let's see now:
Antagonistic fixation on high ranking individual + Wild inappropriate laughter + No analysis = ???
Hmmmm.....Very interesting case.
Dr. Freud |
July 31, 2008 at 02:58 PM
Decent analysis though I disagree with much. I've never heard this aloof/pompous/hubris stuff until the VP talk began.
On a partisan angle it doesn't matter. Republicans describe Kilgore as a loveable professor and Dems see him as a laughing-stock lightweight. It's just politics.
However, there are some derogatory remarks that won't fly no matter how much partisan resentment. For instance, no one ever accused Hillary of being too prissy for the job because that denigration just didn't fit. Likewise, it's true that Kaine wholly failed to overcome the GOP House, but to say he's pompous? Just doesn't fit. The GOP needs to stick to the stuff that works like the fact that they successfully blocked transportation improvements and blocked Kaine's SOC appointee.
Pete in Williamsburg |
July 31, 2008 at 03:00 PM
Dan Quayle won.
July 31, 2008 at 03:28 PM
Kaine stumbled badly when he signed up for the abuser fees and tried to defend them. That was probably the straw that broke the camel's back, and when he ratings started to fall.
The "pompous" element comes from the special session, when he started inviting senior Republicans in for special chats, only to talk about the weather or to see if they wanted a coke. Pompous isn't the right word since it implies some degree of arrogance. Tim Kaine strikes me as a nice guy who happens to be a mental midget and is afraid of taking real political chances. A real politician would have done some homework before the special session; Tim Kaine just sat at home and played Xbox. Pompous or stupid -- your choice.
July 31, 2008 at 03:32 PM
NRO ignored one key factor. Mayoral and gubernatorial positions are executive, not legislative positions. From the perspective of "running government" Kaine, surprisingly, is the one with experience.
I don't think Kaine will be the choice however, he's not liberal enough.
July 31, 2008 at 03:42 PM
Kaine would be an excellent choice but I truly see the points you're laying out.
Mental midget, though? I dunno, Harvard Law, millionaire lawyer, he must have at least a few things figured out.
As for how he played the special session, I've heard various anecdotal about how he played it and I guess I just don't know enough about what the right plays would have been to try to work with a hard-core House.
As for Kaine weaknesses, sure, they're there: No foreign policy background, unknown outside Richmond, failed at getting his principal legislation through, needs a staple gun to that left eyebrow and so on.
But, the advantages are clear: Religious, southern with midwest roots, great on the stump, great fundraiser, likes townhall events with voters, fluent spanish, good chemistry with Obama, great academic background and a spotless personal background.
Pete in Williamsburg |
July 31, 2008 at 03:59 PM
July 31, 2008 at 05:40 PM
Well, let`s see, I was and am a kaine supporter, but I think there are many better picks. Sorry Tim, but I just see it as being politically expediant and not really smart or bold.
July 31, 2008 at 07:34 PM
I think this is a terrble insult to former Vice President Quayle. It's not like Quayle ever did anything as horrible and unforgivable as endorsing Gerry Connolly.
How could the American people ever vote for a Democratic ticket with Kaine on it? My God! He endorsed Gerry Connolly!
Doesn't Obama realize that Kaine endorsed Gerry Connolly?
Kaine endorsed Gerry Connolly! Impeachment proceedings should be started immediately!
Somebody start a petition calling for Kaine's impeachment! I'm sure endorsing Gerry Connolly is grounds for impeachment. It must be!
July 31, 2008 at 08:19 PM
There's one thing you're forgetting Dan: Kaine endorsed Gerry Connolly!
Leslie Byrne is a Loser |
July 31, 2008 at 10:23 PM
Ben, t would like to see some post-election analysis as to how Byrne's primary loss was directly attributable to ill will she generated in the community with her savaging of Barry Caron.
July 31, 2008 at 10:55 PM
t - Get off the stuff!
As for Kaine, he kept his promise to uphold the law. How dare he?
August 01, 2008 at 12:12 AM
Geraghty is dead right on all points. A Kaine selection would be yet another indication of supreme overconfidence and hubris on the part of Obama: "I don't care how little sense it makes to anyone else, he's my kind of guy."
A Kaine selection would make the one I have to make in the voting booth a no-brainer: McChange!
Not Bill Howell |
August 01, 2008 at 12:43 AM
Please consider the article by John Nichols in THE NATION about Tim Kaine which will remind all the Democrats who might still read this site why we supported Kaine in '05.
I DON'T want Kaine to be the VP choice but I'm pretty sick of hearing how crappy he is. He hasn't finessed the GA like Warner was able to but he certainly isn't the devil incarnate depicted by some posters on this site.
August 01, 2008 at 02:24 AM
Obama made the following statement:
"we could save all the oil that they’re talking about getting off drilling if everybody was just inflating their tires And getting regular tune-ups You’d actually save just as much! "
Dan Quayle could not touch this stupidity.
If Obama is not crying race, he is making statments like those above or flipping on issues. is there really anyone who would vote for this clown with a straight face?
Like an old dragnet show...
dumb da dumb dumb
August 01, 2008 at 09:41 AM
The Race of Spades: The gold standard of race cards, when someone points out something overtly racist that a conservative did. Examples include George Allen’s “macaca” outbreak, Trent Lott’s endorsement of Strom Thurmond, Reagan’s commencement of his campaign in Philadelphia, MS, talking about state’s rights. The benefit and problem with playing this race card is that although it’s harder for conservatives to declare it a race card, when they do, it’s gloriously awful.
The Race of Diamonds: Pointing out economic or policy disparities that disproportionately affect minorities. The standard accusation of playing this race card comes with copious references to welfare reform, lazy immigrants leeching off our vast social insurance network and liberals wanting to take your money. For all the power the RoD has, minorities still earn significantly less on average than whites, which is solely attributable to the O’Reillys of our world boldly standing up to these race pimps and hustlers. Which, should you point that out, is liable to invoke the Race of Spades.
The Race of Clubs: When a conservative is accused of playing the race card for showing a modicum of sensibility on a racial issue. Examples include...well, there’s some, I’m sure.
The Race of Hearts: The most easily played race card - it covers all instances where conservatives feel as if the race deck is even being fingered, sort of like a precursor race card. Examples are too numerous to name, but pretty much involve the entire body of public statements of Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, Cornel West and the entire hip hop industry. One of the keys to the Race of Hearts is that it also allows anyone who says it’s being played to also lecture the player on how they’re ruining race relations and potentially making whites even more reticent to listen to them.
There’s another race card that is also in this deck, but requires a previous race card to have been played before it can be pulled out.
The Race Joker: It can be preemptively pulled out following an initial race card outbreak before an accused player’s next statement is made. It allows any caller of race cards to declare that, upon a second salvo by an accused race card player, any and all other race cards are being played - and the accusation can be made without any regard for the validity, purpose or content of the accused player’s statements or actions. Think of it as a super Race of Hearts.
The Race Card |
August 01, 2008 at 10:38 AM
Obama said he did not mean race when he was whining and crying and saying he looked "different" than those on currency. Maybe he meant "big ears" or that those on the currency were green.
He must think we are completely ignorant, or so far towards "white" self condemnation that we can not see thru this extremely transparent and arrogant attempt to gain sympathy.
wahhh wahhh, support me I am black and you owe me...
waaahhh waaahhh, I don't have a clue, but I can give a great speech...
waahhh waahhh, the polls are getting closer, play the race card quick...
It really is too funny how he screams "race" when at the same time he is he was being asked by his audience today "what about blacks" and he tells them they are getting uppity..
Obama is down in the polls and is acting as if he deserves to be on a dollar bill. What arrogance.
August 01, 2008 at 11:12 AM
I love how you flip me when you play me, 11:12.
The Race Card |
August 01, 2008 at 11:15 AM
This may have worked when it was new during the contest with Hillary, but it is getting old and will not continue to work again and again.
August 01, 2008 at 11:18 AM
You know, you might want to try a different strategy. Because the one I used failed.
Hillary Clinton |
August 01, 2008 at 11:20 AM
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