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Dan

I don't think the Deeds folks are relying solely on the other two splitting the Northern Virginia vote. And I haven't read anythig that would indicate smugness on their part. Clearly though, the entry of McAuliffe into the race benefits Deeds.

If I was betting beer on this race today I would bet on Deeds. And he is likely our strongest candidate against McDonnell.

McAuliffe will raise a lot of money, but that isn't likely to be the deciding factor in a low turnout primary. I seem to recall Harris Miller having a large money advantage over Jim Webb in the 2006 Senate primary and that didn't carry the day for him.

Based on some of the recent posts I get the feeling we will be seeing your endorsement of McAuliffe soon. Right after his official announcement perhaps?

How is Deeds the strongest candidate when he has already lost once statewide to McDonnell because of his lackluster campaigning?

Don't forget he has essentially the same genius who ran his AG race at the helm of his gov bid this time.

Dan

A 223 vote margin out of roughly two million votes cast is not exactly getting your clock cleaned. It's pretty much a dead heat no matter how you slice it. Since Moran has never run statewide we can't know how he would do.

I would be happy to vote for either Deeds or Moran next November. They are both good men and I think either of them is capable of winning against McDonnell.

Moran and McHillary are too liberal for Virginia.

Not Altria

Ben,

You have often highlighted your support for the smoking ban and your dislike for the sinister tactics of the tobacco industry.

Could you support a gubernatorial candidate who, as DNC chairman, lifted the party's ban of accepting tobacco industry money (which had been established by Steve Grossman and kept by Joe Andrew)?

Oh man, if Moron and McHillary try to out-do eachother on who hates the tobacco industry more, they really won't have to worry about getting any votes down state!

Pete in Williamsburg

The strongest card for Creigh to play is a successful legistlative agenda if his majority colleagues are ready to hand that to him in this election year. At the same time, though, Brian has plenty of past legislative positives of his own to discuss. So, that edge may not be such a strong play for Creigh.

I do disagree about how Terry will erase carpet-bagger claims simply because he knows the local issues. I don't care how well McAuliffe explains the advantages of a 3rd crossing in Hampton Roads, the GOP will be able to tar him as a carpetbagger easier than any other statewide candidate I can remember. McAuliffe's entire history of accomplishment is as a high-level DNC player.

I agree with earlier post. Why on earth should Democrats pick a guy for higher office who underperformed and lost his last statewide race? Whenever you talk to the Deeds people all they do is make excuses as to why he didn’t win. Fact is, he didn’t. While that it was by such a close margin really sucks and may make it more painful for Deeds, the Democratic Party shouldn’t have to suffer because he wants to prove he should have won in ‘05. While he may be a “nice guy,” Deeds had his chance four years ago and lost. He needs to move on. I say give Moran or McAuliffe a try.

Pete in Williamsburg

I feel like a jerk saying this, but I almost feel that Deeds over-performed in 2005 relative to expectations. He was unknown outside Richmond and his region. His fundraising was fine compared to McDonnell but on game-day, he was simply a name on the Democratic ticket.

Meanwhile, is SW Virginia really a player in Virginia politics? The votes are in NoVa, Richmond and Hampton Roads. That's where the money is, too. We need someone who can harness the money and the votes in the big areas. I think Moran is the best person to do it.

Not Harry F. Byrd, Sr.

Creigh lost votes in NOVA because of a last minute $1M ad buy by the Republican Governors' Association for McDonnell.

Deeds didn't have $1,000,000 to compete with that at the last minute.

Without that ad buy, McDonnell would have lost.

McHillary. I have to admit, I laughed out loud when I read that. As a Dem, it kinda creeps me out after the bruising 2008.

The GOP blogs now have an almost perfect name representation for Terry.

RicJohn

Pete in Williamsburg:

You are right...Deeds did overperform relative to expectations. McDonnell did not win statewide by an overwhelming margin at all, so all these supposed questions of Deeds' electability are ridiculous. Have some of the critics even looked at the returns from Southwest Virginia in 2005...Deeds did WAY better than any other Democrat. The people in the region know him. Also, did anyone bother to analyze McDonnell's performance in Hampton Roads...it was very weak for someone who supposedly is from the region. Voter turnout in Virginia Beach was abysmal.

I really like Deeds, and I think he is the person best suited to be governor. Moran has never run statewide so I don't know where his downstate strengths may be, but I have always been impressed with his accomplishments and his legislative acumen. He would be a great choice as well. However, I refuse to support Terry McAuliffe for governor. He is a shameless corporate whore who nearly tore the Democratic party to shreds earlier this year in an attempt to crown Hillary Clinton as president, and he has done nothing to improve the lives of working Virginia families.

Deeds and Moran have been in the trenches. McAuliffe has been boozing it up on MSNBC and "testing" runs for governor in New York and Florida.

Cutting million dollar checks and schmoozing rich folks off of Dolley Madison Boulevard doesn't impress me. McAuliffe can spew his Virginia Cliff Notes' facts that he remembers for his posh dinners all he wants, but he is a complete phony. He would be the Democratic version of Jim Gilmore, to the ninth degree--but I doubt he would get that far. McAuliffe is completely unelectable.

Pete in Williamsburg

3:16,

You are way, way too easily impressed... and probably not a Dem.

Pete in Williamsburg

RicJohn,

I agree. And, I also realize how my point paints a positive picture of how Creigh did over-perform since McDonnell is a golden boy in Hampton Roads. And, the GOP did pump a lot into NoVa and still only won by a whisker.

Despite that, I think Creigh's moment was in 2005. I think Creigh's energy is fun for down-ticket but not for the top.

As for McAuliffe, again, I agree. No amount of money can shake off the perception that he is high-altitude insider looking for a nest in any state who will take him.

Sam

I cannot justify to myself voting to nominate someone who nearly single handedly destroyed the national democratic party from 2000 to 2004, undercut the Kerry campaign every step of the way, somehow still thinks himself a brilliant strategist, and then waltzes into Virginia as though he's God's gift to us. McAuliffe may have learned the issues, but that's a far cry from him being worth our votes in the primary. I haven't decided between Moran and Deeds yet, but I can never see myself supporting McAuliffe.

John

For what it's worth, I think the general election will come down to Obama's success (or lack thereof) in his first year in office. If he is off to a great start and has high approval ratings, that fact will be crucial for the Democratic nominee - regardless of who wins the primary. But if Obama is suffering fits and starts and the economy hasn't moved at all (or has worsened) then it greatly benefits McDonnell. If Obama is popular, I suspect the Democrats will ask him to do an event or two in Virginia next fall - and I think Obama will agree to do so - given his affection for Kaine.

I am the rare person with a direct connection to all three of the Democratic candidates. I knew Terry from my time working for the Clintons and I have been a constituent in Brian's house district and Creigh's senate district. Bearing that in mind, I genuine like each of the three. And I’d take any of them over McDonnell in a heart beat.

I am a Moran supporter, however, for the following reasons – Creigh is a little too moderate to conservative on some issues for me. I don’t begrudge him that – and it probably would be an asset in the general – but I prefer to vote for someone I really like on the issues. I like Terry – he’s a great speaker and fundraiser – but I just don’t think he’s paid his dues in Virginia. I give him credit for the support he gave Kaine during the 2005 race – but Terry hasn’t personally been involved in Virginia issues until now. I can’t recall him being on the stump much (if at all) for Webb in 2006 – and I can’t think of any direct involvement he’s had in GA races. None of this is to say that I wouldn’t vote for him if he gets the nomination, but I also want to watch how he does in the debates against two more-experienced Virginia hands.

Brian is a great speaker – and I’m with him nearly 100 percent on the issues. He’s one of the most genuine people I know in politics – and he’s always eager to help someone out. I also appreciate the effort he’s made to get around the state over the past two years – I was surprised when I ran into him at the Remote Area Medical (RAM) healthcare Clinic in Wise, VA in July of this year. Wise is just about as far as you can get from Alexandria in Virginia. I think he would make a great Democratic nominee and I’m glad he’s running.

I will say one thing to close this post – regardless of who wins the primary, I hope we can all unite behind the victor quickly. That will be necessary given McDonnell’s head start. If Creigh loses, I hope he will help the winner stump for votes in Central VA and more-rural parts of the state. If Brian loses, I hope he will make sure all of his endorsers are lined up behind the winner and that the winner will be able to pull in a huge percentage of NoVA votes. And if Terry loses, I hope he will make sure the winner has all of the money and national support they need to pull off a victory.

I say all this because of the critical issue in the race – redistricting in 2011.

National politics don't matter. We sent Dems to Richmond when Reagan was riding high, sent Gilmore in 97 when Clinton had 65% approval ratings, and elected M. Warner in 2001 after 9/11 when Bush had 91% approval.

BTW, can't Obama appoint McHillary ambassador to Aruba or something to get this guy out of our hair?

The GOP will label McAuliffe a carpetbagger because that is what he is. He met some folks for dinner at Lemaire in Richmond on December 2 and didn't even know how to pronounce the name of the restaurant.

And it's obvious who Ben Tribbett will endorse: sorry, Not Altria, it has nothing to do with policy; Ben will endorse whoever pays him the most attention and seems most likely to feed him inside information on the campaign to post here. Ben cares about two things: who will stroke his ego, and how he will attract page views for his advertising.

"He met some folks for dinner at Lemaire in Richmond on December 2 and didn't even know how to pronounce the name of the restaurant."

AHAHAHAHAAHAHAHA!!! What a doofus!

" He met some folks for dinner at Lemaire in Richmond on December 2 and didn't even know how to pronounce the name of the restaurant."

Well, Lemaire is closing very soon so maybe its a precursor to McAuliffe's electoral chances...

http://www.inrich.com/cva/ric/news.apx.-content-articles-RTD-2008-10-31-0188.html

Not Hussein (formerly Not Ben)

McAuliffe has lived here for twenty years. I don't see myself supporting his candidacy, but by NoVA standards, he's practically a lifelong resident.

Not Hussein (formerly Not Ben)

Of course, if Chap Petersen was the nominee for LG in 2005, we're not having this conversation. He's probably running for re-election, and Attorney General Creigh Deeds is running for governor. Meanwhile, a couple of state legislators are dueling with Jim "Don't go away mad, just go away" Gilmore for the GOP nomination. Such is life...

Demsel in Distress

Like many others in the Virginia blogosphere, I supported Jim Webb in his Senate Primary and Barack Obama in the Presidential Primary. Neither of those candidates had "paid their dues" in the Democratic Party. For me and others, it was a question of their being the right candidate with the right philosophies and the right personal characteristics at the right time. Also, we thought they could win. That's why I'm surprised to see many of the Democrats who supported both of these candidates questioning whether Terry McAuliffe has "paid his dues" in Virginia. Why is that so critical now when it wasn't before?

I agree with you, Ben, that Terry is very impressive. He has a clear, compelling vision of where Virginia needs to go and how to get there. I very much admire and like Creigh and Brian and think they'd both make terrific governors, but I think Terry is a legitimate choice as well. So far everyone I know who has spent time with Terry as you and I have, Ben, have come away with a very favorable impression. I believe we could do a lot worse than to nominate Terry McAuliffe to take on Bob McDonnell. We're blessed with three very good candidates for Governor this cycle.

John

Demsel,

For me at least, I place a premium on state and local party involvement for state-level office holders (even candidates for Governor). You are right about Obama and Webb, but I don't hold federal candidates to that same standard. State politics are quirky and I just think you need to prove over time that you know the issues and the key players. Again, if Terry gets the nomination I will happily support and vote for him, but I'd rather see someone who's been more directly involved as our candidate.

Grapes

Three blind mice.

See how they run.

Kevin

Demsel- Not to mention the notion being thrown out there that McAullife will be able to pump millions into the delegate races. This might give Democrats the edge they need to take back the House.

McAuliffe is not getting into this race to play around or for an ego trip. He's getting in this to win and win big. He doesn't want to be Governor and not have a majority to work with. Democrats should seriously weigh the money consideration in this election.

Do Democrats want to just play it safe and possibly retain the Governor's mansion? Or do they want to go for the jugular and scoop the whole pot?

To be honest, I still haven't made up my mind. These are just considerations.

Dan

So we should jump on the McAuliffe bandwagon to see that government of the rich, by the rich and for the rich shall not perish from this earth?

Or maybe not.

I believe I'll choose between Moran and Deeds in the primary.

Grapes

Which one of these guys is pro-life?

That's who we ALL should vote for.

John

Grapes,

You don't seem to get it. We're discussing the DEMOCRATIC primary. Not the Grand OLD Party primary. 95 percent of Dems (or more) are pro choice (at least in terms of their public policy view). So why bother asking which of the three is pro life? I wouldn't go on a Republican blog and ask whether McDonnell is pro choice.

Grapes

John,

You don't seem to get it. Until the Democratic party establishes a commitment to protect innocent unborn life, they will continue to remain the minority party.

aznew

The minority party? Do you mean the party that controls both senate seats, most of the congressional seats, has held the governor's mansion for two straight terms, voted for the Democratic nominee for president, controls the state senate and may very well control the House of Delegates is the minority party? I hope Santa brings you a dictionary for Christmas.

Not Altria

Grapes/t's Dictionary:

Pro-Abort: Anyone who supports upholding the law of the land as continually uphold by a majority-Republican U.S. Supreme Court

Minority party:
The party that controls the White House, the U.S. Senate, the U.S. Congress, the VA governor's mansion, both VA Senate seats, the majority of VA House seats, and the Virgnia State Senate.

Christianity: a religion that encourages everyone to love their neighbor and their enemy but in no way prevents insulting, belittling, and verbally attacking those who disagree with your views.

Bottom Line

For Ben, it will come down to this between McAuliffe and Moran: Whom does Gerry Connolly support? Ben will have to support the other one, and belittle the one who gets Connolly's support.

If, on the off chance Connolly supports Deeds (or chooses not to endorse anyone), then Ben will just go by whoever offers him the most. And, of course, Ben will tell us that he is receiving remuneration from said candidate. Isn't that right, Ben? Ben?

Dan

Bottom Line,

I am shocked at your cynicism! How can you question the journalistic integrity of folks with blogs?

The moronosphere has ethical standards at least as lofty as those guys on Wall Street.

ReadYourBibleGrapes

"t" and "grapes" both need to read their bibles, according to which, life begins at birth (NOT before, certainly not at conception). Also, out of more than 600 laws of Moses, none comments on abortion. One Mosaic law about miscarriage specifically contradicts the claim that the bible is antiabortion, clearly stating that miscarriage does not involve the death of a human being. And, of course, Jesus doesn't talk about abortion at all. Next subject.

t

Luke.1
[26]In the sixth month the angel Gabriel was sent from God to a city of Galilee named Nazareth,
[27] to a virgin betrothed to a man whose name was Joseph, of the house of David; and the virgin's name was Mary.
[28] And he came to her and said, "Hail, O favored one, the Lord is with you!"
[29] But she was greatly troubled at the saying, and considered in her mind what sort of greeting this might be.
[30] And the angel said to her, "Do not be afraid, Mary, for you have found favor with God.
[31] And behold, you will conceive in your womb and bear a son, and you shall call his name Jesus.
[32] He will be great, and will be called the Son of the Most High;
and the Lord God will give to him the throne of his father David,
[33] and he will reign over the house of Jacob for ever;
and of his kingdom there will be no end."
[34] And Mary said to the angel, "How shall this be, since I have no husband?"
[35] And the angel said to her, "The Holy Spirit will come upon you,
and the power of the Most High will overshadow you;
therefore the child to be born will be called holy,
the Son of God.
[36] And behold, your kinswoman Elizabeth in her old age has also conceived a son; and this is the sixth month with her who was called barren.
[37] For with God nothing will be impossible."
[38] And Mary said, "Behold, I am the handmaid of the Lord; let it be to me according to your word." And the angel departed from her.
[39] In those days Mary arose and went with haste into the hill country, to a city of Judah,
[40] and she entered the house of Zechari'ah and greeted Elizabeth.
[41] And when Elizabeth heard the greeting of Mary, the babe leaped in her womb; and Elizabeth was filled with the Holy Spirit
[42] and she exclaimed with a loud cry, "Blessed are you among women, and blessed is the fruit of your womb!
[43] And why is this granted me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me?
[44] For behold, when the voice of your greeting came to my ears, the babe in my womb leaped for joy.
[45] And blessed is she who believed that there would be a fulfilment of what was spoken to her from the Lord."
[46] And Mary said, "My soul magnifies the Lord,
[47] and my spirit rejoices in God my Savior,
[48] for he has regarded the low estate of his handmaiden.
For behold, henceforth all generations will call me blessed;
[49] for he who is mighty has done great things for me,
and holy is his name.
[50] And his mercy is on those who fear him
from generation to generation.

t

How could the babe "leap in Elizabeth's womb" if the babe were not alive at the time?

Think about it.

Todd Smyth

While most Dems would vote for Deeds over McDonnell, running up the numbers in NOVA will be a pre-requisite to win in November. I'm curious how people think enough NOVA Democrats would fall in behind Deeds semi-Republican voting record and get out and do the hard work necessary to win in the general? It seems like a lot of people are assuming something which will not happen without some kind of major intervention that I've never heard of before.

McAuliffe has a record of losing House and Senate seats and a Presidential election during his time at the DNC. He has lived in Virginia for 20 years, started 14 businesses, but none of them in Virginia. He is a major fund raiser but has not helped many Virginia Democrats including Jim Webb who really needed it. He was the head cheer leader as the HRC campaign went into serious debt. But he talks a good game and promises to raise a ton of money? I must be missing something here?

We were all just part of an historic election, which turned big money politics on it's head with the largest small donor fund raising in US history. McAuliffe is talking about turning the 2009 Virginia Governor's race into the most top heavy, big money campaign in Virginia history, raising unlimited funds from corporations and lobbyists outside of Virginia to buy the Democratic nomination. We have worked too hard and come too far to let this happen.

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