Great Speech

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Does it seem quieter than previous years?

[Lauren]

Wow, it must really suck to be a Republican in that chamber right now. Oh wait, there's one, reading his program and not paying attention.

[Doug]

Quieter? As in hooting and extra cheers? Sure.

It's nice to have Hopey there as opposed to Smarmy and Smirky (oh and Grunty- I mean you Dick).

Where's the post on Eric Cantor bringing O flowers yesterday. The guy was ready to gay marry O during their parliamentary Q&A session.

What a joke. He's already a terrible President. Just another Carter!

I bet you libs feel stupid now.

He's just an empty suit with a teleprompter bringing liberal fascism.

[Doug]

I smell cheetos. Compared to chimpy? Er, I feel pretty fan fucking tastic right now. My 401k, not so much.

[LOL YOU LOG CABS (I MEAN YOU, DUPLICATE 10:14 PM)]

In the couple of years, we've seen the GOP loving little boys:

http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/BrianRoss/story?id=2509586

The GOP also lovin' them some prostitutes:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,288868,00.html

The GOP also lovin' some homecoming kings:

http://www.pamshouseblend.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=6069

Yes, 10:14 PM, is a cocaine-laced staffer orgy next?

Will it make the top 5?

How about the hall of fame below:

http://www.swingstateproject.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=2303

I bet you, 10:14, you log cab... you're jealous and want the top 5... you support national security on the Chinese dime.

How could anyone in their right mind have voted for McCain-Palin over Obama-Biden?

[Who knows, 10:37?]

I hope she runs in 2012... we could get a filabuster-proof Democratic majority in the Senate.

"I hope she runs in 2012"

You libs once said that about RONALD REAGAN, too!

[10:46 PM = the LOG CABIN Ménage à trois]

your baby, 10:46 PM, ain't no ronnie... maybe she wants to be in the top 5... join duplicate 10:14 in your LOG CABIN Ménage à trois!!

[Not John S. Mosby]

Did anyone else think that Jindal walked, looked and spoke like a complete tool?

Palin and Jindal, is this the best the Republican Party can bring forward?

[Rtwng Extrmst]

Hope and Change??? I say same ole Dem lies...

Hey libs! Obama already broke his promise on Iraq. We're staying.

[10:53 PM = the LOG CABIN Ménage à trois with 10:46 and 10:14]

Hey log cabs... he has to clean up Dubya's mess.

[As if Dubya gave us any hope, Rtwng Extrmst]

worst president in history

[Not Harry F. Byrd, Sr.]

Jindal's speech was bizarre.

10:24 PM:

Jo-ey, is that you? Go back to your NAMBLA web page and munch your "Hostess" snacks!

[BlueAngel]

I feel so proud to have such an articulate and intelligent President. Us Dems couldn't be any happier. After eight years of hate and fear we can all look forward to hope, optimism, and new ideas. President Obama deserves all of our support during this crisis. He inherited such a mess. I like the President's view that we are all in this together and must come together to pull out of it. The angry Republicans on this blog should consider starting their own hate messaging blog. That seems to be the only "value" they've espoused. It is a shame they are so unpatriotic. To be born an American is a gift unto itself and to hear such hateful words from Americans about each other is such a travesty. Each of us should look inward and wonder what we are contributing to the discussion and really to society overall before casting stones. I pray for our President to succeed and even when he doesn't, to receive the respect and admiration that he deserves. So proud to be an American.

I think I might be a bit concerned when even MSNBC posts a dozen lies from Obama's speech and only one from Jindal.

I understand there are many die hard liberals out there who will back this group of leaders no matter what but the mistakes they are making are really going to cost us in the future. Most level headed supporters of Obama I know are very disappointed in this administration.

Obama can make a good speech but I am afraid his ability to make good decisions is extremely lacking. Jindal, on the other hand, did a lousy job with his presentatioin (although facts were good).

[Doug]

Not HFBS- so is this thread. About 4 anonymous posters, on both sides, seem to have gone off their meds.

I still love me some Eric Cantor- he's gushing over Obama while also trying to cock block him. He's like the world's worst college roommate. And Jindal- bringing up Katrina- that was what we call political suicide in one speech. And the freepers are the ones tearing him apart. I don't know if this is the low water mark for the Republican party or if the drain has been pulled and we're just at the start.

I wonder in the years to come if the Democratic Party will end up splitting along liberal and conservative lines into two parties to replace whatever remains of the Republican Party.

[Pete in Williamsburg]

Obama is the right man at the right time. And, his presence, intellect and vision are going to help undo the catastrophe of GWB.

Strangely, the GOP is already running the same play-book that cost them 60+ Reps and Senators. Label anything moderate "socialist." Excoriate any bipartisanship unless it resulted in a GOP win. Ignore critical infrastructure needs in favor of stale shrieks about nickel and dime tax cuts.

That said, I thought it was an okay speech. Not great, just okay. Too much high-altitude rhetoric, not enough numbers and data. I hate to say it, but it just sounded like a standard presidential address and that's it.

As for Jindal, I think his performance has helped shrink the GOP primary field for 2012. When walking to the camera, he bounced like a toddler. His odd nasaly voice was weak, and his overly-long anecdotes stunk. He had a few nice moments of good writing, like his opening two minutes, but after that, he was just one more whiner delivering generic bromides about the Stimulus. Sorry, Gov, the Stim is a done deal. What's next, something about how the media was in the tank during the election?

Final grades:
Obama B-
Jindal D+

01-20-13

O-ne B-ig A-wful M-istake A-merica

I'm an R and Jindal sounded like an idiot. Obama sounds good but he basically promised the world to everyone. Something has to give and the math doesn't add up.

You can't cut taxes for 95% increase funding for education, environment, and healthcare, and cut the deficit in half. I wish him the best of luck. If he is somehow able to accomplish this more power to him and he'll get my vote in 2012.

O-ne B-ig A-wful M-istake A-merica

[Doug]

12:45- posting 15 times in one thread does not make your "point" any more important. Isn't mom going to be pissed if you don't clean the tub like she asked?

Doug…looks like I struck a nerve…so sorry. Hope you have cookies and milk before your afternoon nap…

[Sam]

Doug - How quickly your forget the Bush/Cheney/Rove approach to politics... Keep saying the same thing over and over again and everyoen will start believing it MUST be true

[Doug]

Struck a nerve with you repeating shit like this?

O-ne B-ig A-wful M-istake A-merica

I'm having my milk and cookies while listening to Tiger play. Now wipe the cheetos off and go get some exercise.

Don't forget your nap Doug. You'll be less cranky and maybe permitted to stay up past 9 PM.

[Tatum]

Isn't it great. He's going to give everybody everything they want.

How come nobody else ever thought of this?

Bobby Jindal's secret past

Bobby Jindal's secret past

http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2009-02-24/bobby-jindals-secret-past/full/

Stupid liberal children. I bet you still live with your parents!

Stupid kids. Work a job and pay some taxes, then you'll be a conservative. Unless you work at a GOVERNMENT job where you suck off the federal tit your whole life!

[martha]

Single/divorced mom, worked all my life,raised a daughter,always vote Dem.

[Not Eva Scott]

Bobby Jindal= Kenneth the Page from 30 Rock

[Doug]

3:55 is the same idiot who posts the same retarded blather 20 times in every post. And I'd bet you a bag of cheetos I pay more in taxes than you make in a year. I didn't get one of your ridiculous Bush "stimulus" checks last year, but I know pumping money into real projects- Fed buildings, rail, infrastructure - will do lots more for me than any stupid Republican handout. Hope you bought a treadmill with my money last year, fatso.

Martha,
Your comment including “always vote Dem” sums up many ignorant posters here including doug, dimv, sam..etc.. and a multitude of others who choose to “always vote Dem” instead of thinking of what is best for our country, and instead “always vote Dem.”

Our founding fathers believed that their calling was to always consider first our “posterity”.

This belief and attitude was the backbone of our country’s birth. Those with your beliefs (listed libs above included) prove a selfishness unbecoming anyone who truly believes in the individual freedoms which laid the path for the freedom you enjoy to make your comments.

The ignorance of those who “always vote dem” will ultimately move our country in one of two directions. Either we will embrace in totality the concept of socialism, or we embrace the concept of fascism.

Whatever direction you pursue you have this freedom of expression because, they are all currently accepted in this country…. until you get your wish of “fascism or socialism” then your opinion will no longer matter nor be accepted.

I understand that “forward thinking” may not be a prerequisite in the “democrat” party you think you support, but I would suggest you are wrong.
You and those of your ilk are an embarrassment to the party that has provided a pride to bring forth many of the issues you embrace.

Also, I will take doug’s bet to 3:55 that he makes more than I pay in taxes. Lets not limit it to a bag of the cheetos, if he really has “balls” why not work for me for “free” for a few months like I do to pay my taxes..
I imagine he really does not have the balls but it’s worth a try.

[try me]

also, so that "doug" can not scream that I am "anon" I should post as this as "try me"

[bobby jindahl = blow job, you lob cabs]

bobby jindal = blow job?

that was his speech, you log cabs

http://www.theyoungturks.com/story/2007/8/9/104454/2958/tytvideoclips/Republican-Sexcapades

http://republicandirtydishes.blogspot.com/2007/10/republican-sexual-hypocrisy.html

[Doug]

Try me- I've got massive balls, but I also have brains. Your "argument" basically comes down to name calling, in each and every post. You are beyond ridiculous and not really that entertaining- just clogging the tubes of this gossip site.

You will pay my taxes if I come work for free for you? Sure. I'm pretty sure I can do my job and whatever insanity it is you do with no problem.

Your broad brush and fear mongering for a different view is stark and stunning, and really just a downer here. I'm an independent who happens to be liber on social issues- gay marriage, drugs should be legal, a woman's body is her own (wow, those sound like more freedom, not less) and conservative on fiscal matters- I am truly troubled by the doubling of the national debt by Bush and am very uncertain that the recovery act will actually help, but I do know that I trust Obama to right the ship a lot more than John "the fundamentals of the economy are strong" McCain. In the past I have voted for John Warner and, I'm sorry to say, Jim Gilmore. I was a big believer in Reagan, but I have no idea where his party has gone.

Now, I have put down some actual views and cogent thoughts. Care to respond with wild broad brushes and insults? Fine, but please make them at least a little funny. You are so fucking boring.

"try me" epitomizes why Republicans have been losing elections and will continue to lose elections. Nothing but nastiness, negativity and ad hominem attacks. If Republicans think that's going to appeal to a lot of people, they're deluding themselves.

[try me]

doug,
the closest thing to “name calling” in my post was my statement that many of you posters were ignorant. If you want to look at that as “name calling” so be it. I rather look at it as a blind state of being.

You may not like my arguments, but yours fall flat on their face with little or no depth of thought.

Lets see:
You suggest that you are “conservative on fiscal matters” and show concern that “Bush” doubled the national debt. Are you not aware that “congress” holds the purse?, and would you like to tell the class what party controlled congress for the past few years? How can you profess to be conservative on fiscal matters and back a plan that even you admit to be “uncertain” about? Where is your concern that this administration is tripling the debts that (during a republican presidency) were of such consequence to you? (all in a matter of months?)

Your entire argument is based on the fact that you “trust” Obama who has already proven to be a liar with his “no lobbyists, most transparent government, …” (the list goes on). This blind “trust” is exactly the point I was making. You praise Obama when he lies and slam others in their truths. You raise up Obama for his choice of Biden (jobs is a three letter word, and what is the number of that website I am in charge of?) but you slam McCain for his choice of Palin. You idolize him and follow blindly as a true follower should. These are not the traits of a “thinking” person.

On other matters, I agree with you that many “drugs should be legal” and “a woman’s body is her own” although I also believe that when a child is conceived that child has rights also. As far as “gay marriage” that is just plain stupid and illogical on it’s face. I could personally care less what people do in their bedrooms, but if “gay” was normal then it would not take long for there to be no offspring.

You may think that you “have brains” but your writing, and your blind obedience prove otherwise. Your hypocrisy and blind obedience prove the thrust of my post better than my own arguments ever could.

[try me]

8:50
I don't believe it will be necessary to appeal to a whole lot of folks in the future, the democrat house of cards will fall under its own weight. I already see it in many of the "thinking" people I know who supported Obama.

This is NOT the kind of "change" they were looking for.

[Rowhey]

Doug,
Time to put the name calling aside.

In 2010 and 2012, the unemployment rate with be the deciding factor. Bankuptcy judges are already seeing a surge in Chapter 7's, 11's and 13's. In fact, there will probably be an expansion of bankruptcy judges to deal with the deluge.

Some very seasoned bankruptcy judges have been telling the Wall Street journal that the unemployment rate will top 10% and could reach 12% over the next two years.

I can tell you this from my vantage point in the industry, the financial services industry is at a breaking point. Until Geitner gets a handle on things...and FAST, things will get a lot worse before they get better.

The rest of this is just politics.

[Pete in Williamsburg]

Doug,

You're feeding a troll. TM is a regular who has demonstrated that he is not here to convey actual insights or contribute to a meaningful discussion. He simply wants to re-word the same insults he tries to deliver in every thread. "Stupid libs" and "petulant children" and "mindless party drones" and so forth.

Funny thing is that buried deep inside his posts, he probably has some actual points to make... which are totally obscured by his constant attempts to fling poop.

[Pete in Williamsburg]

I just realized what an lame post I wrote yesterday at 11:10.

I meant to write it like this:

"You stupid bunch of neocon retards, Obama beat you like bongo drums in 08 and now you can't take it. He is fixing up your mess and doesn't need you idiots to make this country great again. Jindal is a wussy-boy who probably peed a little bit during his response so good thing the camera stayed on his ugly face. Stupid Goppers."

Better, right? I mean, it's at least more in-line with some of the regular GOP posts I've read. Give me time, I'm trying to learn.

[Pete in Williamsburg]

The more I think about it, I don't think I did that last one right, either. Let me try again:

"I truly pity the problems of dishonesty and stupidity which plague the Republicans. Though I understand your need find cover when your defeated party rains down humiliation after humiliation upon you, you have to admit that not a day goes by that you don't find yourself remorseful or supremely embarrassed to have voted against Obama. With scarcely enough unity or legislative power to keep a caucus, federal government is essentially closed to you. However, your inert circular world of AM radio and unread blogs remain yours to use as you see fit. Use them in good health as we fix the mistakes that you might actually be too stupid to recognize."

Whaddaya think? More effective? A better contribution to the discussion than my initial post? I'm trying, I'm trying. Just trying to pick up tips on effective communication from the GOP posters like TM and the other anons.

[Doug]

Rowhey- I do hope you are wrong. I really don't understand what the stress test on the banks will do, but I do know things have the potential to get much worse.

You're going to hate this, but the model on bank regulation that could have avoided most of this seems to be Canada. They only allow leveraging up to 18 to 1 and it is looking like most of their big banks will survive without government help.

[BlueAngel]

Right on Pete. Loved your line on "unread blogs." Seems these Republicans even have to come to us for the blogs now since no one is reading theirs.

[LAS]

From Doug, at 9:57, Feb, 25th:

"He (Eric Cantor) is like the world's worst college roommate."

Best line I've read in a long time. It's funny, 'cause it's true!

[wb]

Pete in Williamsburg should have his own cable pundit show.

[try me]

4:39
I agree, that way we could turn it off.

[try me]

pete,
seems when things hit too close to home you turn to a very lousy job of comedy.

[Lloyd the Idiot]

It's insutlting that (a) he's proposing $634 billion as a start to a new welfare program in the midst of this economic chaos, and, even worse, (b) he thinks we'll buy his story that he'll cut the budget deficit in half?

Lloyd,
Yes it is inulting, they take us all for fools.

Unfortunately the "fool me once" scenario did not work on many people who believed that "change" would mean something positive.

As the heading of this thread notes "great speech" unfortunately it does not transfer to "great deeds".

What amazes me most is the speed at which this admiistration is moving this country away from our roots; and it was all based on lies and abuse of public trust.

A very sad, sad day for all of us.

Quit your whining "try me". Elections have consequences.

the problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other peoples money.

m thatcher.

12:27
the problem with the "consequences" of this election is that, because of a bunch of useful idiots, it is likely to cost a country.

Did you miss the class on incorrect decisions made in elections in Germany, Venezuela, Cuba? or do they still teach such in schools these days?

oh well, you can probably put a condom on a cucumber.

Neither Hitler, Castro, nor Chavez were democratically elected, if you weren't a total moron you would know that. Jesus.

You know, fuck it. Every time you post, I'm donating $1 to ACRON just to piss you off. What a little whiner.

7:04
Apparently you took the cucumber course instead of history.

For a bit of history read “The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich” and you may find that Hitler was elected.

For History closer to home read or goggle the “elections” held in Cuba and Venezuela, I think you might find that these dictators claim they too have been democratically “elected”.

Speaking without knowledge is the height of ignorance.
Remember one thing. Better to be silent and thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt.

(I suggest you be more quiet)

I really wish they taught more history in High School.

"For a bit of history read “The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich” and you may find that Hitler was elected. "

No, he wasn't. You don't know jack shit about the German Parliamentary system.

Castro never held any elections. Ever.

I like how the Republicans have such a martyr complex they're comparing the President of the United States to Hitler and Castro because he passed a law.

What a bunch of little drama queens.

Keep the underground resistance going, "try me". WOLVERINES!!

Douchebag.

11:58
because you say it does not make it so.

the cuban "elect" representatives and they "elect" the president.

and as for the german system, maybe you should take the advice and read up on it.

It is too bad they do not teach any history in H.S. anymore.

12:01
I will "try" this one.

I don't think it to be a matter of passing "a law" I think it has more to do with their common goals for centeralized government and desire to take away individual responsibility and achievement.

I certainly do not believe this administration has any desire to exterminate a race of people.

However their actions will put many in bondage to government for generations.

"However their actions will put many in bondage to government for generations."

Raising the top marginal rate bye 3%=bondage for generations? A little dramatic there, conservatool.

12:59
If that is all you see then you do prove the old saying about trying to teach "pigs to sing".

Try looking a little deeper than the soundbites on kos.

When you grow up you might make something of yourself and want to keep a bit of what you make to spend for yourself instead of giving it to the government to pay for those who choose to just take from society.

[Shorter 4:20]

WAAH! WAAAH! WAAH!

[Shorter 4:20]

Ad hominem

Strawman. Strawman. Red Herring.

Ad hominem.

you children who want to throw around those "big" words like "Ad hominem" and "Strawman" and "Red Herring". really should look up the meanings first.

It proves an ignorance when one uses words or phrases that do not fith with the argument.

But since school is out tomorrow we shall have more of this childish behavior.

I hope you kiddies at least try to rebut something instead of continuing to embarrass yourselves as you currently are.

I believe these posts prove that short peter is mindless and is reinforced by his childish cheerleaders. you liblockers are an embarrassment to yourselves, your party, and your president.
Congratulations on that point because it takes a lot of work.