OH MY- SOMEONE GET TAG GREASON A TISSUE

New Outlook:  Leans Democratic

From the Loudoun Independent:

"In a 1996 sworn statement, she claims that she drove him to oversee the construction of a helicopter pad. Attempting to catch some sleep while both were waiting in the vehicle, she claims to have awoken to find that Greason had exposed his genitals and appeared to be fondling himself.  At this point the driver said that she exited the vehicle, handed him some baby wipes, and asked him not to soil the vehicle."

WOW, that is humiliating.   It's hard to imagine anything more devastating than pulling your penis out on an assistant, fondling yourself and having the person hand you a baby wipe and ask you not to soil the vehicle.  I'm surprised he could ever get it up again after something that traumatic.  Now I understand why he calls his volunteers "The Tag Team" on this campaign!

I'd say that's the end of Tag Greason for Delegate...

Delegate David Poisson isn't very smart or articulate, but he sure is lucky!

Comments

[Tag's Tissue]

Wow. Goodbye Tag Greason. Thanks for playing.

[skeet]

So let me get this straight - in response to this weirdly detailed accusation, Tag says the whole thing's a lie?

Accusing an active servicewoman of perjury, Tag? Really?

[Gnarly]

Gee...wonder why it took 2 and half years to make the accusation? Years later, she was shopping for baby wipes and it all miraculously came back to her?

[neike]

Gnarly, reading between the lines it looks to me like she asked Tag to get out of the military and then when he did she still felt it was important to make public him whipping out his junk and masturbating.

[Larry Sabato's nosehairs]

Oh come on, we finally have someone who can "handle himself" and you want to attack him?

[Not John S. Mosby]

Well, at least he was jerking off to a woman. With the Republican party these days, the fact that hw wasn't whacking to a dude is the most shocking aspect of it.

[55]

Hold on... a woman who refuses to be named, who never made any formal allegations is not claiming that this happened. Sounds like a real show stopper.

[neike]

If she filed a sworn statement, there's no way she wasn't named. Anybody have the documents?

[Anonymous Is a Woman]

It is not uncommon for victims of sexual harrasment to not want to be named. Even news media respects their anonynmity.

Still, it does make it difficult because the accused also have the right to face their accuser.

[fred]

Tag is so over. Guess Howell's golden boy isn't so clean cut, eh? And from what I know of this kind of behavior, it's not the kind of thing a person does just once. Exposing oneself to others is often a particular fetish where the perp needs to do it to be satisfied. This is highly disturbing.

[Tag you're it]

Can we make this one a safe Democratic? How is Tag going to wheather this in a delegate race? He'll need to be chaperoned when canvassing if he wants women to open their door.

[Bob McDonnell]

This is precisely why I am proposing that all women in Virginia must wear burqas. Ever since Eve in the Garden of Eden six thousand years ago women have been tempting men and leading them toward Satan. This harlot undoubtedly tempted young Greason and it is she who is at fault. He would never have been handling his naughty bits if he had not been enticed by that Jezebel.

I urge you all to vote for this Godly man so that he might become one of our upstanding moral leaders in the tradition of Sen. Vitter and Sen. Ensign. God has his hand on this young man.

[Tom Seeman]

This is ridiculous. The charges were dropped because the prosecution didn't think there was a case. If there is no case, it's over. Anybody can make a claim about anyone. But for us to believe it there has to be credcible evidence, and there is none here, zilch, zippo, none. Whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty? Liberals love to tell us about what great civil libertarians they are... until a Republican is accused.

Loudoun voters are smart enough to know a spurious charge when they see one. This accusation will be rejected and Tag Greason will be elected in November.

[,]

Ben, Given your "NAMBLA" fascination you really shouldn't draw attention to "exposing" anything.

[Bob McDonnell]

How dare you slander NAMBLA. I am a member and they have contributed heavily to my campaign. I seem to recall seeing you at the last meeting Mr. comma.

[gstone]

The Chicago way makes its way to Virginia.
Delegate Poisson having learned at the knee of Sen Dick Durbin how to deal with political rivals brings those skills to bare here in Virginia. Slipping in the polls, and the political wind in his face Del Poisson with the help of the democrat party of Virginia is employing the Chicago way southern style. What do you do when the political wind is in your face and your campaign is slipping while your challenger is gaining ground ? You try to breath life into a 15 year old false allegation. An allegation dismissed by a judge for having NO merit.

This is as predictable as it is pathetic.

[Friend of Tag Greason]

It is a shame that the democrats have to sink to a level such as this. Obviously we know Tag Greason is the capable and competent candidate for the House of Delegates. I am a friend of Tag Greason and I know he is a person of strong moral character.
Obviously, there is no case, other than the fact that the democrats can't figure out how to stand on the real issues.

[Gretchen Laskas]

I have no idea what the big picture story is regarding this, but I have to say, all politics aside, it is a hilarious story.

I mean, baby wipes? How domesticated can you get? Don't make a mess? It's almost MOTHERLY in its sharp retort.

Beautifully played!

[?]

The person claiming to be Bob McDonnell is becoming slanderous. I'd suggest adopting the "Not" moniker, as is standard on this site.

[change]

Ok,
So this chick has accused multiple men of her platoon, two non-comm’s and somebody’s wife of harassment. The case was dismissed and the man vindicated.

Are we now to the point where a serial accuser can make up a story and this is supposed to take out a candidate?

I only know what I have read here, but where are all you libs screaming abut “innocent until proven guilty” etc??
Oops I forgot that only applies to democrats.

Maybe instead of clothing and unproven allegations there is some “issue” related stories that might be interesting.

Like how Obambi and crew are trying to break the state by passing down mandates on medicare.

Or if you want to stay off “issues” could someone explain to me why Obambi feels it necessary to introduce special guests at some of his limitless speeches as being “in the house”?
Is that presidential??

Or better yet, why doesn’t the man stay on the job and act like president for a few days instead of running around playing (salesman and chief).
Then maybe we could get some better decisions than “nutcase czars”, “cap and trade”, “screwing our allies”, etc.. etc.. (“not to mention the health care issue” )

[anon]

Heh, if Greason hadn't been "standing" at attention in the car that day, this wouldn't be an issue!

[DanielK]

"Strong moral character?" LOL There's the typical talking point that follows an alleged screw up from a Republican....Vitter, Sanford, Craig, shall I continue?

Also, she made a sworn statement and the charges were dropped. Doesn't mean it doesn't occur just means the prosecution wouldn't have been able to prove it's case. If they were the only two people present and it's a he said-she said then it'd be a little difficult to prove.

Either way, David Possion is a wonderful delegate and a true friend to Deputy Sheriff's throughout the Commonwealth. I doubt with or without this that he'll have much problems winning reelection.

[Dan]

gstone, it is unfortunate that you used the word "bare" when you meant to use the word "bear" on this particular thread.

Also, the article did not say that the matter was dismissed for having no merit. It indicated it was dismissed because of "an apparent lull in any active prosecution".

Since the prosecutor was not interviewed for the article we don't know why he didn't pursue it further. It may have been because it had no merit, as you assume. Or it may have been the female enlisted soldier didn't wish to pursue it any further for fear of damaging her career (not fair, but often a reality women face). We don't know. We can only make unsupported assumptions like yours.

At this point it is a very old he said she said. He wasn't convicted of anything. So, your overheated rhetoric about Chicago politics aside, it isn't likely to have any impact on this campaign.

[change is a putz]

change, what did you call the woman? "this chick"?

Weren't you among the chorus trying to claim that Deeds was a misogynist for calling a female reporter "young lady"?

Consistent little devil aren't you?

[Doug in Mount Vernon]

More of those legendary GOP family values! Remember, it's "teh gay" that is the real threat! OMG, they're moving in and fixing up my neighborhood--we better not let them marry!

[Doug in Mount Vernon]

And by the way Ben, if you really don't believe that Dave Poisson is both smart and articulate, then clearly you've neither met and talked with him, nor do you obviously know him.

[gstone]

The Greason allegation was dismissed as was the others.
Rational thinking folks will draw the conclusion that if someone makes 3 , 4 or 5 allegations and they turn out to be false or without merit, that the accuser as we used to say, is full of crap. Now Democrat political hacks and general nitwits will continue to make hay out of such nonsense, because they are political hacks and nitwits and this is what they do best.

Democrat flunkies never cease to amaze me as to the levels they will stoop to prop up one of their own.

This is the stuff you get when you are winning an argument or political campaign.

[HisRoc]

"Greason Rebukes 1994 Charges"

Really? I would have thought that he "refutes" the charges, but I'm not the editor at the Independent.

[Tag you're it]

hacks, gstone? I guess it takes one to know one, right? This must have the republicans shaken up pretty bad when the king of demagoguery starts in with this line.

[Dan]

gstone wrote:

"This is the stuff you get when you are winning an argument or political campaign"

Greason is winning? Are there any objective measures you can share with us to support that rather bold assertion?

You also say:

"Democrat flunkies never cease to amaze me as to the levels they will stoop to prop up one of their own".

Yes, I'm sure you can think of no examples where Republicans have defended the horrendous behavior of one of their own. Or completely ignored behavior on the part of Republicans that should be prosecuted and that should outrage Republicans more than anyone else.

The troll that goes by the pseudonym "change" asserts that "innocent until proven guilty" is only applied to Democrats. That Republicans aren't given benefit of a presumption of innocence. It is hard to prove guilt when the worst of the Republicans are never prosecuted. Particularly the most sanctimonious "family values" hypocrites who shout the loudest for their opponents to resign over their sexual peccadilloes. I'm talking about the ones who don't simply break their marriage vows. They break the law. And mysteriously are never prosecuted.

Diaper Dave Vitter makes the list. He pays prostitutes for sex (not to mention indulge his odd fetish for being diapered) which is against the law. Not only is he not prosecuted, he receives absolutely no pressure from any of his fellow Republicans to resign his seat. No Republican outrage? Tell me again who stoops so low?

How about Senator Ensign? Bangs a staffer who is also the wife of another staffer who is his good friend. And then he paid her hush money. And, in his capacity as head of the NRSC, he employs the 19 year old son of his mistress as a "political consultant". Gee, you think there might be a few violations of the law there? Not to mention that this money was contributed by the Republican faithful who might have expected their money would be put to the proper use for which they contributed it.

That one hits close to home for me because my recently deceased in-laws were regular contributors to the Republican Party during that period. I may not have shared all their political views, but they were good, hard working people who I admired. They gave their money in good faith. They didn't deserve to have their money stolen by Sen. Ensign and diverted for his illicit purposes.

Talk about stooping low! I have heard no Republican outrage over this abuse of the Republican faithful or his law breaking or his payoffs to cover up his affair. No Republican has called for him to resign. No Republican has called for him to return the money he stole.

So, before you even think about criticizing others you might suggest to what passes for leadership in the Republican Party these days that they might want to weed out the crooks in the GOP rather than alibi for them and cover up for them and defend these scum.

What was that oh so ironic line you guys used to love so much? Oh yeah, character counts.

[Not Einstein]

It made the headlines & he had to deny it. They got what they wanted. Just like when LBJ was losing a Senate race & he told his aide to circulate rumors that the other candidate screwed pigs. "Lyndon, you know that's not true" said the aide. "Doesn't matter," replied LBJ "we'll make him deny it."

[Dan]

I had never heard the pig screwing story before. Where did you read that one?

My personal favorite was from a Democratic primary in Florida back when the Democratic primary WAS the election because we didn't have any Republicans to speak of in the South. Claude Pepper lost that primary because his opponent accused him of being a practicing heterosexual.

Those crackers didn't know what a heterosexual was, but it didn't sound right to them.

How would you like to have to battle that type of "smear"?

One of the best stories outside of Boston or Louisiana. And that one is true.

[HisRoc]

Normally, I would question the veracity of someone who would file a complaint over two years after the alleged incident and I would be doubly concerned about a person who filed multiple complaints that were unproven.

However, something about Tag Greason's military record doesn't pass the smell test. According to his profile on LinkedIn, he graduated from USMA in 1993. Therefore, he would have had five-year service obligation through June of 1998. However, the Independent claims that "Greason had already left the military by December 1996" when he was informed of the charges. BTW, you can be recalled to active duty after separation if charges are brought against you for misconduct that occurred while on active duty.

Does anyone know why he was released at least 18 months before the end of his service obligation?

[Dan]

Good catch, HisRoc. He would have had a five year active duty commitment.

Interesting.

[HisRoc]

Dan,

Thanks, but it wasn't hard to spot. I went to his bio on his campaign web site and he was just too vague about his military service. A former Regular Army officer, not to mention a USMA graduate, is typically going to be much more chatty about his military career.

There are other holes in this story. The woman soldier's complaint would have been under the original jurisdiction of his commanding officer and the Uniform Code of Military Justice, not Federal civilian courts. What happened between 1994 and sometime in 1996, about the time Greason would have been considered for his first promotion? Why did the complaint show up in US District Court after he left active duty? What was his rank when he was separated? Was he denied promotion to First Lieutenant in June 1995 when he would have been due? Was his promotion delayed because he was under investigation? (Its called "flagged" in the Army, slang for "Suspension of Favorable Personnel Actions.")

Lots of story here that isn't being reported.

[Not John S. Mosby]

Maybe he was in under the Army version of the Ken Cuccinelli 30-day Marine Corps Career Plan.

[change]

1:15
Yep, I said chick.
I am not one of those who were calling for McD’s head for his supposed bias against women; I was only pointing out the hypocrisy of you libs.

I would not have said a word about Deeds condescending attitude towards that “young lady” if it were not to point out the hypocrisy of you leftists.

I like chicks and ladies, women and cougars; whatever you wanna call them (within bounds) is ok with me. In fact I care little what women may call me, as long as they call.

Just vent your own feigned outrage consistently.

[change]

Danny, if you choose to come back to earth (from whatever planet you live on) you might find that many republicans have either stepped down or have been asked to step down by many in their party.
As we type Sanford is being called on to step down; more names include Stevens, Lott, Palin, and our own Frederick; I will give you that some have and some have not done so, however you can not say that the party does not attempt to monitor itself much better than the democrats.

How many democrats are calling for Rangel to step down? How many called for Dodd? (cold hard cash) Jefferson? Etc..etc..

Is a fair excuse that the democrats have no morals so they have nothing to live up to?

You might sell your BS to the ignorant, but facts prove the democrats don’t call for their own to be responsible.

The most recent example of democrat hypocrisy is the Wilson abuse, how many dem’s called for Reid to be admonished when he called Bush a liar and a loser?

But, of course, “that’s different”.

[not ken c]

HisRoc this would be about the time your hero bill clinton was cutting back on the military. as i understand it, Tag served two years in active duty and then as part of Clinton's program he served on inactive ready reserves and then a reserve unit until he was discharged in 2003. HisRoc, you sound like someone who must have dug all this junk up.

[Gretchen Laskas]

Oh come on -- Tom Ridge was pressured to raise the terrorists warnings around election times. Hardball tactics in politics isn't limited to either party, and is as old as the Commonwealth!

[HisRoc]

not ken c,

Before you go off attacking someone you know nothing about, consider this: I was on the Army Staff in the Pentagon from 1992 through 1996, first as an action officer and then as a division chief after I was promoted to full colonel. I was there during the Clinton transition and throughout his first term.

I did not "dig all this junk up." I'm just someone who is intimately familiar with the Army officer personnel system and who sees some inconsistencies in Greason's military record. If these accusations are true, do you want to see a repressed sexual pervert elected to the House of Delegates, either Republican or Democrat? (Not that there aren't some already there.)

I have no recollection of Regular Army West Point graduates being curtailed from their five-year obligations in the 1990s. There were some ROTC graduates with four-year commitments who were released to the Reserves and the Guard (not the IRR), but not USMA grads. If someone can document that it was otherwise, I will stand corrected.

This matter is easy for Greason to resolve. All he has to do is produce his promotion orders to 1LT to demonstrate that he was not flagged in June 1995 and produce his active duty release orders with the reason for separation.

One of my Army mentors was fond of saying, "A thorough investigation is an honest man's best defense."

The media have put this stuff out there. They have an obligation to resolve it and Greason should be fully cooperating, not hiding behind his lawyer.

[Not John S. Mosby]

HisRoc, great points. I see a lot of resumes from guys who claim to have been an officer for what I call strange amounts of time. One guy claimed to have separated as a major after six years, another as a captain after three years. That always raises a red flag with me. Regardless of who they are, if I see where someone graduated from West Point in 1993 and a separation 3.5 years afterwards, I would like to hear the reason? There's a story there, it could be simple and benign - medical discharge, family hardship, that type of thing. Then again, lots of times, it's not that benign.

Even an un-promotable O-2 - and I personally have never run into an O-1 that didn't at least make it to O-2 - would generally stick around for the five years, embarrassing though it may be.

And you're very correct about the involuntary separations in the mid-90s. Most of the folks I knew in that category were O-3s that simply didn't have much of a future in front of them. Logistics officers mostly, those types of rolls. Plus a lot of 15-year O-4s who took advantage of the early retirement option available back then. Some pretty good NCOs also took the early package as well. Guys who could get out in their early 30s and still have a retirement package, though greatly reduced but still very valuable.

[Ghost]

Man, this Tag Greason. He sure does have a HANDle on the issues! hahahahahaha-snort. drum hit please.

[never jerked off in public]

Since Ghost got us started ....

I can't wait until Tag Greason meets David Poisson, I hear Tag is a Masterdebater!

[change]

Sheeezzz,

This is too funny, “All he has to do is produce his promotion orders”

And you liberals bust on people for wanting Obambi to “produce a valid birth certificate” and call them names?

Gee, maybe someone can come up with a good name synonymous with the “birthers” for you idiots.

Oh., sorry, “this is different”

LMAO

[HisRoc]

change,

I am not a birther, a truther, or a liberal. Greason has a microfiche copy of all his service records. If not, he can retrieve a copy from the US Army Personal Command in Alexandria with a phone call.

This is something that you right-wing chicken hawks would know nothing about.

Tell us all about your service in uniform after the age of 12 when you were in Boy Scouts.

[Haywood Jablomi]

Look, it's pretty clear Ben posted this out of jealousy; he shoots blanks, if ya know what I mean. Anyhow, have wee seen a pic of this female accuser? Is she hot? Shit happens, so what if he was catching a nut on late night bullshit duty. At least we know he's not a homo...

[Haywood Jablomi]

Hey NJSM - I'd be careful if I were you, because you're making a case against your boy John Bell. Marketed as an "Afghan and Iraq War vet" yet somehow avoided combat pay for 26 years? What a lucky sombitch ROFL.

[change]

His,
“My” service is not in question and never was part of this post. You know nothing about me and I am not trying to “build myself” up with any of my writings.

Apparently you are too obtuse to understand my post.

I agree that the man can “produce” whatever necessary to clear up the question.

My question was to those who demand certain “proof” from republicans but don’t hold the same burden of “proof” for democrats.

Sorry this simple logic was lost on you.

Maybe you should spend less time puffing up your chest and more time puffing up your mind.

If you really served, all Americans should thank you for your service; and thank you for your continued service (as a mall cop).

You should know as well as I that anyone who does the job does not have to blow their own horn, as you seem to need to do. However, your lunatic ranting makes one wonder if you should not be seeking some psychiatric help, which we will all pitch in to pay for it of course.

Tread carefully, that you do not soil the reputation of that which you seem so eager to wrap yourself in. EF

[HisRoc]

change,

You seem to be suffering from some serious feelings of inadequacy. I can't help but think that they are well-deserved.

It must really suck to be you.

[change]

his,
actually, no.

I take it from that response you have nothing intelligent to say to back up the rest of your crazy rantings.

It's ok, I understand the deal... When you have no intelligent response to the message, attempt to kill the messinger.

You libs are good at that; and if all else fails.. scream racism.

[Bubby Hussein, Hillbilly Sheikh]

Messinger: Teabagger with a victim complex, a drinking problem, and a loud demanding whine.

Rise and shine chump change! Your village calls.

[Not Paul Blart]

Why do mall cops always have to get brought into disputes about a person's military record? Tag Greason wouldn't last two minutes in my uniform! Then again, neither would NLS!

[Princeton]

hey change obamas ccitizenship has been exhaustively demonstrated. If you wanna stare at the sky and tell me its green be my guest, but after awhile im just going to ignore you. If the color of the sky was a political issue i could only assume you were being partisan, because why else would you make such a silly assertion?

you said the woman in question has a history of accusations, is there something to back this up? cause id be interested in that.

unfortunately when it was questioned instead of communicating you got into your wingnut mode, and the whole conversation broke down.

hope this helps

[BM]

GOOOOood Research. Good Research.

[Gretchen Laskas]

I hope I never run for the Presidency, because I don't have a birth certificate any better than Obama's.

I was born in a little town in WV in 1969. No one used serial numbers or anything like that on the birth certificates -- they didn't have to, because there were only three babies born in the entire county that day. Everything was filed by date.

Yes, there was a county "official seal" but sometimes this was forgotten -- it was on my sister's "official" birth certificate which was given to my parents in 1972. The physician and nurse who delivered us have since passed on to their rewards, and yes, there were notices in the local paper, just like Obama.

Needless to say, this caused quite an issue when we went to apply for passports. Fortunately, West Virginia, like all of the states in the union, has a mechanized system in the state capitol which solves this problem.

So the only real (meaning, acceptable to the passport office) evidence of my birth is my state-issued birth certificate. The same one that Obama has shown to everyone.

But can I "prove" that I was born in Philippi, WV, on September 15, 1969? To most, yes. But after watching the Birthers, I'm not sure it would be enough to pass their tests. I wonder if their own birth certificates would, actually.

As Simon and Garfunkel sung about that time, "A man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest."

[gstone]

someone is asking the right questions

www.hoodathunk.org

[Tom]

Poor guy. "Tag Greason" is already the perfect name for a porn star, and now this image on top of it ...

[change]

prince,
Re: “is there something to back this up? cause id be interested in that.”

Did you even read the article?

Quote: “In her 1996 statement, the driver does relate a series of incidents that occurred while stationed at Fort Polk—including harassment by the men of her platoon and two non-commissioned officers. She also related a hostile incident with the wife of a co-worker.”

I know it is sometime difficult to do some study before you start spouting off, but just a bit of investigation might make you look less ignorant of this and many other issues.

But it is becoming increasingly apparent that you leftistas have little interest in facts.

[gstone]

make that www.hoodathunkblog.com

[dave schutz]

Well, I knew Dave Poisson 16 years ago when he was president of my civic association in Arlington. Smart, energetic, able, articulate - all that stuff. My best guess is - still true.

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[Loudoun Lady]

I forgot why I never visit this site, because the liberals that post here are disgusting and have no decency.

This is exactly the kind of of "take a good man down at any cost" politics people hate, and the Chicago training is a pretty good theory. Hmmm, Durbin, Poisson, dirty baseless story in the last 6 weeks of a hotly contested election, anonymous sources, piss poor reporting, compliant press and sick bloggers - ta-da! The Chicago Machine.

[Color Me Skeptical]

I heard that "Smart, energetic, able, articulate" guy had one more appellation attached when he was elected - unemployed. A failed lawyer when for reasons known to none, he was put up for office - but considering his opponent, I'm pretty sure Fudgie the Whale could've carried the district during that cycle.

And that his lobbying firm was started only *after* he was elected?

But since then, um, just how many bills has Dave authored that wasn't laughed out of the House, much less passed into law?

Yes, truly a man of astonishing achievements ...

[lilikindsli]

m9c8Mb I want to say - thank you for this!

[Brett]

TUG Greason!

[Stacy]

I just heard that Tag has called it quits. He decided to open a dry cleaning business instead. His motto-Drop pants and jacket here.

[K]

I looked at Poisson's flyer of the court probable cause. The area where an arrest warrant was filled out, was not. The part that says did you received the document was signed but its smeared where it says signing does not mean an admission of guilt.

[goTAGgo]

Someone get the democrats a tissue!

[Radar]

"I'd say that's the end of Tag Greason for Delegate..."

Not. Tag's no Dick Black.

[Dis Gruntled]

Hey fellas. Tag won! I guess this democrat lie backfired.

[the last American]

Tag won even with this silly story...let's get back to honest and decent politics...anyone with a mind can see this is made up...Go Tag, stay true to your beliefs!