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Dan

That is a fascinating list of oddball conspiracy theories. I had no idea that the Nazis landed on the moon in 1942.

On the subject of oddballs, I wonder how Cuccinelli would have handled a question about the more current (and equivalent to the birther conspiracy in craziness) 9/11 "truther" conspiracy?

If one of the nuts who thinks George Bush was responsible for the 9/11 attacks had asked a similar question would Cuccinelli have said it wasn't "beyond the realm of possibility" as he did the birther conspiracy?

This isn't a matter of whether or not one agrees with Cuccinelli on any political issue(s). It is a matter of recognizing a politician who has no scruples whatsoever. To call this man a leader is hysterically funny.

robsmithiii

I can understand the hypothetical but his statement of belief that the President was born in the United States isn't too convincing since he didn't poke at the viability of the person's question during that rally. As in "Dear [Sir or Madam], thank you for your question. While it is a question on some people's minds, I think it is a false pretense to suggest or insinuate that our President is from a foreign country and is not a US citizen. However, if I were to file suit in federal court over the enforcement of a law, here's how I would do it..."

Then again, that's just speculation on my part. I'd say that [if I were in his shoes and ideology, which I hopefully never will be].

If you don't refute something that you disagree with when it is presented to you, doesn't that make you look like you agree with it -- whether you do or not?

COOCH IS SIDESHOW FREAK

Excellent analysis, Ben.

DanielK

This reminds me of the time during the Presidential campaign when that one crazy woman called Barak Obama an "Arab" and John McCain had to tell her she was wrong in front of everyone. That was the correct way of doing it, unfortunately Cooch doesn't want to anger his base and therefore gave that weak response.

Like I've said repeatedly, Cooch is crazy, not stupid. I'd love to see him use the birther argument the first time he tries to sue the federal government but again, crazy-not stupid.

Steve Vaughan

Oh no, the attorney general is not only a birthter, he doesn't know what "hypothetical" means.

Cooch for President

Here are the facts:

- Obama never has produced a birth certificate

- Obama handed out gov't-made swine flu vacines

- Obama issues a memo to form a "national police force"

- Obama wants to install death panels

- Obama and his liberal and Muslim allies are launching a revolution from within. BEWARE PATRIOTS.


COOCH FOR PRESIDENT!!

RON PAUL FOR VP!!

GERRY CONNOLLY FOR SECRETARY OF STATE!!!!

ISO a Soulmate

I just wish I thought these flaps would hurt Cooch. I think he bought Prez. Reagan's Teflon on E-bay.

I got another e-mail from Tim Hugo saying he was going to be on TV and I should try to watch...still waiting on his email that identifies his position on the Cooch.....the silence is deafening.

I don't blame the Dems for trying to use the Cooch as an opportunity to make money, but for all of us who realized long ago how crazy, but smart Cooch is, I want to scream...I TOLD YOU SO!!! The Dems blew it every time they had a chance to take him out, thinking if they just kept saying Cooch was a kook, the voters would believe. Ugh! I'm too angry to part with my money now. I just keep hoping that maybe, just maybe Cooch enjoys "hiking the Appalachian Trail" or has some other foible. After all, I though Mark Sanford was unstoppable.

Cooch for President

WAKE UP PEOPLE. OBAMA IS NOT A CITIZEN AND 9/11 WAS AN INSIDE JOB!

COOCH IS A CITIZEN PATRIOT AMERICAN HREO

Spock

ISO soulmate'- Coooch is not as teflon as you think.

If VA loses business opportunities like the Northrop Grumman contract because of Coooch, you better best believe the "pander loon" will have accumulated a lot of enemies in very high places.

He is damaged goods at this point, and no, he will never become Governor.

Dan

I would like to nominate "Cooch for President" to be the next chairman of the RNC. His/Her insightful comments capture the spirit and thinking of the Republican base nearly perfectly.

I say nearly perfectly because of the call to make Gerry Connolly Secretary of State. But perhaps I simply don't understand.

Perhaps the Cooch himself could explain it. When he isn't busy giving sound legal advice to birthers and other potential mental patients.

Steve Vaughan

Dan-Are you sure that "Cooch for President" isn't the CURRENT chair of the RNC?

Spock

Steve- He can't be, not Republican party official is that articulate.

Spock

_no_ Republican party official

(broken glasses)

Dan

Spock, you just don't appreciate the eloquence of Michael Steele because of your lack of hipness. You just don't understand how he is making the GOP more relevant to the kids and to people who aren't as white as sour cream.

It was a real disappointment when the old, white people made him change the name of his blog on GOP.com. I thought "What Up?" was a daily must read.

ISO a Soulmate

His Teflon coating has served him well so far. Point noted on the possible effects on the business community. personally I was also happy to hear that NoVa business execs are fed up with the R's for being too afraid to raise revenue for anything (particularly transportation). Maybe sanity will prevail eventually

Dan

ISO a Soulmate, you must have been asleep during the 2009 campaign! Bob McDonnell has got transportation funding covered. The offshore oil revenue will pay for everything we need.

I know the "liberals" can't see all those oil rigs off Virginia Beach, but you can rest assured that they are pumping oil as we speak. Just trust the Governor.

And if there is a small problem with using oil revenue there are always those twelve f*cking funding mechanisms the governor alluded to in that interview on WTOP. And, failing that, he is going to catch that leprechaun and use his pot of gold to pay for transportation. But he is not going to raise taxes just to build roads to please the "liberal" business community.

So, no more of your negative liberal anti-America talk!

Spock

Dan- Steele was obviously chosen to try to prove to the black community that they are some sort of "open tent" political party.
This attempt backfired because not only is Steele not the right guy for the job but the racist element in the Republican party are ready to start burning crosses and trying to install Limbaugh in his place.
Steele is a showman who considers himself some sort of movie star. He will spend the RNC out of existence by the time the 2012 election rolls around.

ISO Soulmate- Coooch got into his statewide office due to riding on the MickyD coattails and the fact that what the Dems were offering as alternatives were so grim.

Nobody has even touched on Coooch's connection to the white supremacist: Larry Pratt, who heads the GOA (Gun Owners of America) and has quite the bio write up from the SPLC.

Cooch for President

HEY OBAMA - KEEP YOUR GOVT HANDS OFF MY MEDICARE AND SHOW US YOUR BIRTH CERTIFICATE!

COOCH IS A PATRIOT WHO IS ASKING THE HARD QUESTIONS THAT NO ONE ELSE WILL ASK

Steve Vaughan

Hey, CfP, you know the president doesn't actually read this blog, right?
If he did, Ben would never let anybody hear the end of it.

Dan

Cooch for President, why are you at your computer. Why aren't you at the big FreedomWorks sponsored rally to preserve your right to be cornholed by the insurance companies? You don't want to miss the tea party.

It is imperative that you don't let the government get its hands on MediCare!

Spock

Dan- was that today??

Time to bus in the old people and tell them to fight against their SSI and medicare.

But, the buses are FREE!!

Dan

The great patriot Orly Taitz suffered another blow today. The 11th Circuit Court of Appeals rejected her appeal of sanctions imposed on her by a federal judge in Georgia (a Bush appointee) for frivolous filings and using "the courts as a platform for a political agenda disconnected from any legitimate legal cause of action."

The show may end here. I don't think the Supreme Court will likely agree to review this one.

Spock

BTW- here is a photo of Coooch with white supremacist Larry Pratt

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d194/bmwcyle/100_3376.jpg

Dan

"Dan- Steele was obviously chosen to try to prove to the black community that they are some sort of "open tent" political party.
This attempt backfired because not only is Steele not the right guy for the job but the racist element in the Republican party are ready to start burning crosses and trying to install Limbaugh in his place."

Spock, I think Steele was the best possible choice they could have made. They interviewed every African American in the Republican Party. All six of them. And he came out on top.

Spock

Dan- LOL!! How sad is that?

Now they're stuck with the guy who was only part of their party to use them for attention and is going to use them and all their funds into the ground.

Making more popcorn...

helen

After a year into this meme, you Dem's still don't get it. Your blindness is revealing as are so many others who posted nonsense responses downstairs.

jbjd posted a response downstairs and Dan, being the cynic he is, totally dismissed her. There is only one question the AG needs to ask and jbjd expressed it well "On what documentary basis did you ascertain Barack Obama was Constitutionally eligible to be President before you swore to the Commonwealth of Virginia Board of Elections, he was qualified for the job?"

I was a devoted Dem and left the Party on May 31, 2008 following the theft of Hillary Clinton's delegates by the D Corporation's Rules & Bylaws Committee. Google Harold Ickes and watch his response to the theft.

The biggest secret the D's are keeping from their brethren is millions of us former D's left the Party in 2008. We left because we witnessed and have testified to countless acts of election fraud perpetrated by Obama AND the D Corporation. And many us will never return.

Instead of cynicism and ridicule try some self educating for a change. jbjd has worked since the primary to stop the fraud and then to expose the fraud. Her posts tell the entire story. But if you prefer to only go to blogs that serve as echo chambers then you are in for one helluva whack upside your head and deservedly so.

Btw, my name is Helen Tansey and am the proprietor of The T-Room blog at www.t-room.us

As Steve Vaughan if I was a solid D? He'll tell ya, right Steve?

Now that I am finally out of the proverbial "anonymous closet", I would like to tell you that the eligibility question was never about where he was born. That meme was spewed by the D Corporation to distract us from the real issue. Orly, Keyes, Berg, all of them spewed disinformation to get the public to focus on the birth certificate. Knowing full well it was sealed when Barry was formally adopted by Lolo Soetoro. Ask any adoptee and they will tell you their original BC is sealed.

I refer to the birth certificate game as the great scavenger hunt and many fell for it, including me. However, that was short lived b/c I bothered to learn from another PUMA who has a website detailing the fraud - www.jbjd.wordpress.com

Go to the website to learn. It's not an echo chamber. It's solid legal work detailing precisely how the D Corporation defrauded the public.

Here's my issue. We Virginian's paid lots of money to put Obama by the letter D on our general ballot. If you bother to read the Memorandum of Complaint to then AG Mims to immediately investigate the D Corp and Pelosi for election fraud then maybe, just maybe, you'll want to learn a bit more or at least come to understand what Cooch was saying.

I, Helen Tansey, filed the first complaint in Virginia on September 21, 2009. On October 9, 2009 I offered testimony to the State Board of Elections explaining the complaint and demanding an investigation. Because election fraud is a criminal matter the board accepted my testimony and stated the investigation is under the auspices of the AG.

I knew this going in but wanted to get the complaint on record. I'm certain is still on the SBE website.

So, this whole birther meme serves solely as a distraction and pits the good guy against the bad guy or whatever, a tactic both Rs and Ds use regularly to demonize their opposition. Ridicule is their favorite tool.

It's always been about election fraud. Always, always, always. So stop falling for the dribble and start educating yourselves. The best place to start is jbjd's site. She has citizen's who have filed complaints in six states to date.

This is not a joke either. It is an extremely critical matter that goes directly to the heart of our national security. This is not about Party it is about Country.

Spock

Helen-Using Alex Jones as a source on your mentally ill inspired website only proves what a loser you are.

Dan

Wow. They are coming out of the woodwork.

As I said in the previous thread, I wish you guys all the luck in the world getting the Cooch to make this his priority. I am rooting for you.

Dan

So, now instead of birtherism it is a bizarre election fraud theory. I thought the PUMAs had moved on. Obviously I was wrong about that.

It seems the last person they want to listen to on the subject of the 2008 nomination battle is Hillary Clinton herself. The very person they claim inspires them to do exactly the opposite of what she clearly communicated she wanted them to do.

I am trying to think of a polite term for their delusion. I am at a loss.

Granite

You said: "Obama never has produced a birth certificate."

That is crap. Obama has produced his birth certificate. The Certification of Live Birth is the official birth certificate of Hawaii, and it is the only one that Hawaii currently issues. Hawaii no longer sends out copies of the original birth certificate. And the officials in Hawaii, who are members of a Republican governor's administration, have said twice that the facts on Obama's published birth certificate are confirmed by the original document in the files.

Spock

Dan- Me thinx Helen is some nasty left over Dixiecrat who is freaking out that there is a "BLACK MAN IN THE WHITE HOUSE" *gasp*.

That and a case of schizophrenia...

Dan

Spock, if you read her comment fully I think you will find she is a disgruntled Hillary Clinton supporter who believes the presidential nomination was stolen from Clinton. A diehard PUMA who long ago stopped listening to anything Secretary Clinton has to say on the subject.

If she listened to Hillary Clinton she would have to abandon her delusion.

Gretchen Laskas

Did Harold Ickes (a man I admire tremendously) feel robbed after the 2008 primary? Yes. He did. Why? Because he is probably the smartest person on the arcane internal rules and laws on Democratic politics (indeed, he wrote most of them) and he was outplayed by the Obama campaign. (Plus, he had to work and sometimes take orders from that nasty nasty Mark Penn. I DESPISE Mark Penn.)

Helen -- I'm sorry that your time in the Democratic Party ended only in disillusionment. I'm sorry that we did not live up to the party you wanted us to be. But if keeping someone, anyone from destroying the party is simply acting in an "echo chamber;" if disagreeing with your point of view means I'm not clear thinking or have been duped or am just plain lying, then I can't even meet you half way. That sometimes happens in politics, even between people who would otherwise be friends.

Spock

Dan- I ran into the PUMA creatures at the Dem convention in Denver, I know what they are about.
And, yes, "some" are inspired by racism.

But, I also took the time to go over to Helen's mentally ill t-site and know from my research on wackos, that there is more to Helen's rabbit hole than her Hero Hillary not winning.

The site is full of what we refer to as "third positionism" it's populist and conspiracy loon jargon from Infowars to Wayne Madsen to Breitbart's nonsense.

Helen's politics are drowned in insanity, most likely race inspired, I would put her closer to the Pentagon shooter and the guy who drove that plane into the IRS building than any actual real PUMA member (if there are any left).

Now, I am sure she is not a dangerous, but she is whacked out.

Dan

I took a quick look at her site but hadn't gone very deep. Sounds like more than a PUMA.

Some of the PUMAs were way out there in a number of areas. But I think some were just so bitterly disappointed that a woman was not going to be elected president that year when they had their hopes up so high that it was difficult for them to let go of the dream.

I felt the same way in 1928 when Al Smith lost. I really thought an Irish Catholic was going to make it. (Just kidding. I'm not quite that old.).

Dan

Gretchen, I agree about Mark Penn. He is not a likable guy.

Helen should direct her venom at Penn. He is the person most responsible for Clinton losing the nomination.

Spock

Dan- You might be as familiar with the crazy sites.

I found 2 links to infowars right on the front page, videos by Wayne Madsen, I read through the links to see the praises of Biggovernment.com and Bighollywood.com both Breitbart sites.

You are the political master, and you do report on politics well.
I am the master of researching the crazy, been doing it for years.

This woman is a conspiracy populist to the t...room....

NotJohnSMosby

Obama provided his Giant card, which is probably more documentation than John McCain or any other President in history has been asked to provide.

Dan

Yes, but was it his long form Giant card????

And Giant has been purchased by a Dutch firm. DUTCH!!! They are foreigners!

And Israel Cohen conveniently died in like 1995 so he can't be questioned about the issuance of that Giant card to Obama!

This proves nothing!

Obama is a secret Muslim terrorist communist illegal alien!

Joe Biden is the real president.

Steve Vaughan

Since she brought me up, I'll vouch for Helen's former status as a committed Dem. I didn't know she'd become a PUMA, we havent' seen each other in a while. Most of the people I know who took that position have gotten over it by now. I guess Helen has not.

Spock

My buddy just came over, who also does research work on loons and I showed him Helen's site without letting him any background of who was behind it.

He first called "tea bagger" and then he also came to the "conspiracy populist" conclusion.

I just told him that it was a done by a PUMA and he was surprised, as there is very little about Hillary on there, but a lot of conspiracy and right wing tea bagger lunacy.

What ever Helen used to be, she is no where near reality at this point.

change

It's always back to the tired mantra, If you disagree you are a racist.

Amazing you guys can not come up with something better.

The democrat party is kicking out all moderates, they kicked Stupak to the curb for being against federally funded abortions to kill off babies.

Soon the only thing left in the party will be the loony leftists (no offense danny boy).

8 months until the adults take over.

Steve Vaughan

Change: re kicking out moderate.
Pot meet kettle.

Spock

Change- You can have Helen....no need to thank us...

change

Steve,
Amazing retort, make that up yourself???

Bottom line is that there are more “conservatives” than there are “liberals” in this country, and in Virginia, (can you say Gov. McD, Lt. Gov. Bolling, AG, Cooch?).

I have always said the R’s screwed up by spending too much money, and that is what cost them the majority. The D’s have not learned that lesson and they are dooming themselves to repeat it (times ten).

All one need do is look at recent election history to see what November will bring. You will be sobbing in your panties when the next congress fixes all the problem this group of arrogant children are creating (maybe for laughs they will do it with questionable procedural tactics).

Enjoy it while you can, time flies when you are having fun.

helen

My only sin is that I researched and learned and witnessed first hand how the D Corporation committed fraud.

Spock, your ridicule does not even come close to making a dent so feel free to spew more. I love it b/c it shows how small minded you are.

Steve, thank you for vouching for me. Yes, I left the Party nearly two years ago b/c as a devoted member for my entire life, I know longer recognized it as the party for the people and by the people.

I certainly do not begrudge or cast aspersions toward anyone who chooses to remain in the Party let alone the R Party, that is your choice with which I respect.

My choice was pretend the fraud did not occur and enable the cancer that killed my party or educate myself, learn all I could about election law and my state's election laws and stand up to speak my truth. What I believe.

There are many folks trying to wake up the people including me, Madsen, Jones and hundreds more. Why? Because the longer you elect to remain in denial the harded it is going to be to save our country. Opening one's mind to opposing views shows the intellect and maturism of another person. To hurl ugly words and attempt to bully your opposition shows the opposite.

The Memorandum of Complaint addresses the Fight the Smears COLB. If you read it you may actually learn something. That is, Bauer, Obama's attorney, asked a federal judge to take judiciary notice of a computer screen of the COLB. A computer screen. Not a piece of paper but a computer screen. The best evidence Bauer had at the time to ask the court to take judiciary notice of were the 50 state certifications of nomination. So, why didn't he do that? After all, the Speaker of the House, the third in line to the Presidency is more than credible to vouch for his eligibility especially since she signed nearly all of the certs. So, why didn't he use this as his best evidence? The answer, b/c Bauer was also representing the D corporation at the time. So, the best evidence he had to demonstrate Obama's eligibility was the computer screen. Hello? Did you even know this? Doubtful.

The Judge, in his right mind, denied Bauer's request. Thank God. So ask yourself why he didn't offer any other evidence to the court? Like the original paper copy of the COLB? Ever! What attorney in their right mind would ask a federal judge to take judicial notice of a COMPUTER SCREEN!

Now go read and stop beating the crap out of people who have done their homework and haven't been distracted by all of the disinformation noise.

Btw, jbjd has a beautiful post up about Howard Zinn. She was his star pupil.

Speaking only for myself, one of the most difficult decisions I've made in this lifetime was to leave my Party. To now read such nasty comments toward me, a former fellow Dem, tells me you can't handle the truth. No matter what it is.

Do everyone a favor - go educate yourself.

helen

Wow! I just looked at my Daily Specials and there are two posts from InfoWars, which is a great site btw,

One was a cross-post from the Sunday Herald and the other was a story about Texas removing history from their school books which many in the msm reported on but I thought the best post was from IW.

Hot damn, whatcha all said about my site must be true. Heaven forbid you see all of the D sites I post b/c you know what, they are starting to report the truth too!!!

Gretchen Laskas

Change -- As someone who lives her political life as "hope for the best, expect the worst" I fully realize what could happen this November for Democrats. I also don't think that this is likely to change for the better if Democrats do not pass the health care bill. And no matter how badly it goes (and it could go very, VERY badly), at least we'll have the health care bill, which is more than I can say for how I expect it will go (again, very, VERY badly) without passing it.

Regardless, I won't be "crying into my panties" no matter what. I've lived through the 1980's, and 1994, and the 2009 election in Virginia. I'll likely live through this one as well, and go on fighting in 2011.

helen

Gretchen, what exactly are you fighting for? I don't ask out of disrespect, I ask b/c the Party you remain attached to is as corrupt as can be, which is also the Party I was once attached too.

Until we clean house, and right these egrigious abuses there is no opportunity for "US" to fight.

With Pelosi and et al trying to cram down a health care bill that the majority of the electorate does not want, then how do we get the magical middle. We don't. Why? B/c after the D slaughter in November's elections, you won't have a snowballs chance in hell to get healthcare reform passed. Your leaders, through their absolute hubris, chose to go a route the public, Rs Ds and Is said no too. Tell us how we get there. The answer is short and sweet and the bill is maybe five to six pages long.

NotJohnSMosby

Helen, we're glad to see that you're not bitter about the 08 elections.

ISO a Soulmate

Spock....where/when was the picture of Cooch and Prat taken? I can't read the orange stickers.

Gretchen Laskas

Helen,

I believe that passing the health care bill IS good politics, even if we pay a political price for doing so in the short term. There are similar polls about passing the medicare bill in the 1960's -- the public didn't like it then, but boy, do we like it now! I'll be honest, I'm not interested in running towards the middle at the expense of losing the more liberal wing, although in most areas, I'm pretty moderate as a person and even pretty conservative on issues such as guns and debt.

I'm a Democrat because I spent years of my life reading about the FDR administration and deciding that this is the type of world I want to help continue creating.

But one area where perhaps you and I differ. I grew up in WV and Western Pennsylvania. In those areas, it's an open secret that politics is corrupt, and is constantly corrupting. (My state congressman from PA is the one currently on trial in Harrisburg for political corruption. But when I needed something, he delivered for me.)

I suppose there is a part of me that doesn't believe we can ever "clean house." This doesn't mean that I believe that corrupt politicians should be given a pass, just that I don't have any illusions about what can happen behind closed doors when people are given more power, money and influence. I also don't believe for a moment that Republicans are less corrupt than Democrats. And given the choice between Democrats and Republicans, I would rather live in the world Democrats aspire to. I fully realize that another might look at his/her life and situation and make another choice -- I don't despise Republicans or their ideas. They just aren't the ideas that I want to fight for.

Montana

In my opinion this is what the small portions of the republican party of "birthers, baggers and blowhards" have brought you. They are good at "Follow the Leader" of their dullard leaders, they listen to Beck, Hedgecock, Hannity, O'Reilly, Rush and Savage and the rest of the Blowhards. Are you surprise at what they do when you know what they think? The world is complicated and most republicans (Hamiliton, Lincoln, Roosevelt) believe that we should use government a little to increase social mobility, now its about dancing around the claim of government is the problem. Although most republicans are trying to distant themselves from this fringe they have a long way to go.

Dan

It is hard to make the case that the Democrats are in danger of losing moderates. Or that moderates are unwelcome in the party.

In the 2006 and 2008 elections we elected one hell of a lot of moderate and conservative Democrats. Where in the world do people think the sizable majorities in both houses of Congress came from? And liberals are often miffed at a president who plays it very much down the middle when they thought they were getting a liberal president.

Moderate Republicans on the other hand have become an endangered species. There are very few of them left. And those that are left are constantly threatened with primary opponents because they are not "pure" enough. They are derided as RINOs.

The Democrats don't have a problem with the middle. They will have a problem with looking ineffectual to a voting public who gave them power because they were tired of Republican incompetence though. Unless they get something done.

The way to avoid that is to pass the damned bill.

Montana

In my opinion this is what the small portions of the republican party of “birthers, baggers and blowhards” have brought you. They are good at “Follow the Leader” of their dullard leaders, they listen to Beck, Hedgecock, Hannity, O’Reilly, Rush and Savage and the rest of the Blowhards. Are you surprise at what they do when you know what they think? The world is complicated and most republicans (Hamiliton, Lincoln, Roosevelt) believe that we should use government a little to increase social mobility, now its about dancing around the claim of government is the problem. Although most republicans are trying to distant themselves from this fringe they have a long way to go.

Spock

ISO Soul- I am no sure, it was while choooch was a senator but Pratt did fundraising for Cooosh too.

http://ladylibertyslamp.wordpress.com/2009/10/29/ken-cuccinelli-and-the-white-supremacists-in-his-campaign/

Spock

Dan- you are 100% correct, what Change i referring to are conservative Dems who still hold roots to the pre-civil rights movement.

Losing a flake like Helen who has no problem aligning herself with the populist loons is not losing a moderate.

No Dem moderate is going to all of a sudden support the Glenn Beck agenda and vote for Coooch.

Helen- infowars is for the mentally ill. Alex Jones is an attention whoring fat turd who preys on the stupid.
He is actually even worse than Glenn Beck.

NotJohnSMosby

Helen and her pals are really shit nuts. Republicans aren't going to vote for Dems if health care isn't passed. They'll just think that Dems are pussies and continue to vote for guys like Taliban Bob and Crazy Cooch. Democrats, however, will be very happy with the health care victory and will be a lot more energized and active this year. If health care fails, then Dems nationwide will be like Dems in VA last year - they'll stay home in November.

So, if health care passes and Dems also enact other progressive legislation, then Dems will vote for them and Republicans will vote for Republican cavemen and wingnuts. If health care bombs out, then Dems won't vote for anyone and Republicans will vote for Republican cavemen and wingnuts. You could argue that independents will vote against Dems because of health care, but they're just as likely to vote against Dems if they look weak and disorganized in failing to pass health care.

Thus, it's important for all Dems to make sure as much legislation is passed as possible and health care is the most important - and necessary - bill to pass.

helen

I just need to say it - I have not watched a television newscast since 8/08. I am no fan of Rush or Savage, rather I listen to soft jazz.

Lastly, I do not need Spock or NotJohn... telling me who is a legitimate source for news and who is not. The day either of you come out from behind anonymity and write your own stories and inform your audience of your opinion is the day I might give a rip until then, your opinion means nothing.

It's so easy to post negative, bullying and mindless thoughts on a board ANONYMOUSLY toward those who don't tow your line. How brave of you. I'm certain all are impressed.

I prefer intelligent conversations with folks like Gretchen and Steve.

the two of you, NOT!

Spock

Helen- why don't you report to Alex Jones that the alien reptilian illuminati are saying mean things too you!

And BTW NotJohn and I are posting from our seekrit Bohemian Grove location, and will be beaming off our chem trails from the remote controls we used to cause the holograms on the towers during 9/11!!!

Hurry! There's a big sale at the Piggly Wiggly for tinfoil to make those cranial protection shields from our mind control devices!

TIME TO LINE UP FOR MEDS!

Dan

Alien reptilian illuminati?

Maybe I should visit more of these websites that helen and jbjd have been recommending. Space aliens are always entertaining.

I thought the John Birch Society and some of the more conventional lunatics provided great entertainment. Clearly there are much more entertaining nuts out there.

Mind control rays you say? Or does it require the implantation of a microchip? That is what Del. Cole seems to think. Although I think he is trying to protect us from the anti-Christ not alien reptilian illuminati.

NotJohnSMosby

I tried mind control on Helen, but the target was way to small to get a lock on.

Gretchen Laskas

Helen,

I've now had a chance to read through your website. While politically we aren't likely to agree on much, I enjoyed the story about how much your family was involved in your own political life. As someone who also had a Grandmother who instructed her in the finer points of Democratic life, I can certainly appreciate that!

I can certainly imagine a world where the Democratic Party leaves me -- an indeed, there have occasionally been candidates that I could support or attach my name to. But I'm a pretty pragmatic person (perhaps because I grew up as a liberal GenX in a Reagan world?) and can't imagine that I would ever feel "betrayed" by the party since my relationship to it (although very meaningful) isn't in that fashion. (laughing) I'm trying to imagine what a politician could do that would actually SHOCK me -- I get angry and annoyed with politicians all the time, but very little in life shocks me. Of course, that's part temperment, since I'm known in my family as the unflappable one.

But again, thanks for taking the time to post here, and allow us a little glimpse into your life.

www.google.com/accounts/o8/id?id=AItOawkYqVwrKwZRlpD2yAerf60smeBA4DpEeUc

Will someone pease call Helen's guardian and let her know that Helen has gone off her meds again and can't find her way home.

Montana

In my opinion this is what the small portions of the republican party of “birthers, baggers and blowhards” have brought you. They are good at “Follow the Leader” of their dullard leaders, they listen to Beck, Hedgecock, Hannity, O’Reilly, Rush and Savage and the rest of the Blowhards. Are you surprise at what they do when you know what they think? The world is complicated and most republicans (Hamiliton, Lincoln, Roosevelt) believe that we should use government a little to increase social mobility, now its about dancing around the claim of government is the problem. Although most republicans are trying to distant themselves from this fringe they have a long way to go. And as they said in WACO “We Ain’t Coming Out”.

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Excellent post. It makes me realize the energy of words and pictures. I learn a lot, thank you! Wish you make a further progress in the future.

bob jain

great post,indeed!

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