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Mossgatan

Can't anybody rein in this guy?

The birth certificate again!

Dan

This is hardly shocking. We are talking about Ken Cuccinelli.

Do people really not understand who this guy is at this point?

Kaydee

The most jaw droppingly stupid part of this is that our state attorney general doesn't realize that even if Obama were born overseas - which he wasn't - he would still be a citizen because his mother was a US citizen.

The same idiotic question came up about John McCain's qualifications because he was born in the Panama Canal zone.

You don't lose your citizenship if you are born overseas to American citizens living or working there.

Google Robin Vanderwall

I wouldn't call this "shocking" either, at least not to anyone who is familiar with Kook-inelli. However, it is deeply embarassing to the people of Virginia. Anyone who did not support Steve Shannon should sign a petition to recall Cooch, if that's possible. What do we need to do to get rid of that nut?

Dmataconis

When was this audio made ?

The context makes it seem like it was during the campaign.

Not that it matters, of course. Just curious

Not Larry Sabato

My understanding is this was when he was Attorney General-Elect, but to protect my source who got this on tape, I'd rather not go into further detail.

Greg

Really? That's what all this was about? Some birther asking Cuccinelli about a birth certificate and him giving a procedural response?

Okay, have at it. I'm just surprised with all the lunatics involved in politics on both sides of the aisle that this is what all the fuss was about. I was keeping my fingers crossed for something much more interesting.

Dmataconis

Greg,

"the speculation is Kenya. And that doesn’t seem beyond the realm of possibility."

Either Ken actually believes that nonsense or he's pandering to birther loons. In either case, it doesn't look good.

Greg

Doug

I'll say it again. With all the crazy things people in the political world say, I'm just surprised that this one is all that interesting. Not my place to tell folks what to care about though, I'm just surprised.

Not Larry Sabato

Greg, the correct answer to the 2nd question asked to Ken is "No".

Greg

Ben

I won't give the lawyer response to your comment because, frankly, I don't care enough. I was just hoping for something really interesting. Maybe this will be interesting to everyone but me. Who knows?

Honestly though, are you really surprised that Cuccinelli thinks it's "within the realm of possibility" that Obama was born in Kenya? Again, if this is the best "crazy" comment from a politico then you need to get better sources.

I'm not saying it's not worth posting, just that I was hoping for something much more interesting.

K in VA

What's the date of this?

Spock

Ben- Does David Weigel know about this?

Spock

On the other hand, this might get Ken his place in the "worst person in the world" on Olbermann!

CarolineProgressive
Nice Try

Kaydee WROTE: The most jaw droppingly stupid part of this is that our state attorney general doesn't realize that even if Obama were born overseas - which he wasn't - he would still be a citizen because his mother was a US citizen.

The same idiotic question came up about John McCain's qualifications because he was born in the Panama Canal zone.

You don't lose your citizenship if you are born overseas to American citizens living or working there.

Posted by: Kaydee

--------------------

First up, I believe that Obama WAS born in the U.S. However, Kaydee, you are incorrect. That is the law today, but at the time of Obama's birth, his mother was not of sufficient age to qualify to bestow citizenship upon her son if he was born overseas. That law has since been changed, but that was the law at the time of his birth.

Nice Try

Oh, and the Panama Canal Zone was U.S. territory at the time of McCain's birth, too, so that was considered U.S. soil and the issue of parental citizenship would never even need to be addressed.

Gretchen Laskas

Great. Virginia in the news again in the most ridiculous way possible. Our AG comes out and says "it's possible" he might spend his state time and taxpayer money on this nonsense.

Dw

@Kaydee:

Although birtherism is ridiculous, you are wrong about the hypothetical scenario where Obama was born outside the US.

Not every child born abroad to a US citizen is automatically a citizen him/herself. And rightly so, for otherwise there could be whole dynasties of US citizens living abroad whose only connection to the US was via some distant ancestor.

The law also requires that a US citizen having a child abroad must have spent a certain amount of time residing in the US above a certain age in order to pass in US citizenship. And Obama's mother was so young when she gave birth that she had not yet met this test.

So Obama's citizenship does rely upon his place of birth in Hawaii. Of course there is a mountain of evidence that he was indeed born there, which makes this whole discussion somewhat ridiculous.

Steve Vaughan

Gretch:
Yep. Great. We get the distinction of having elected a birther a.g. Let's see how fast Cooch claims to be taken "out of context."
And...another McDonnell repudiation of the a.g. coming in 3..2...1..

Dw

@nice try:

The hospital in which McCain was born was not in the Panama Canal Zone. It was in the Republic of Panama. At the time if his birth, McCain was not a US citizen because of a loophole in the law. That loophole was later fixed by Congress, and McCain was retroactively made a citizen.

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Note to Republican politicians. Drink wine at home, not at functions.

Spock

Cooch for president- don't forget about the Chem Trails, the New World Order and the fluoride in the water!

Precious bodily fluids and all that!

LOL!!!

never jerked off in public

Cuccinelli is just being who he is. Too bad the Dems nominated such a weak candidate in Shannon. Or maybe that was Roman Levit's fault.

Kaydee

Nice Try, I did say, if you look closely:

"even if Obama were born overseas - which he wasn't -"

I believe that sentence means that I know he was born here, which right there renders arguments about his citizenship moot.

Further, here are the qualifications to be U.S. President:

http://www.presidentsusa.net/qualifications.html

And a natural born citizen is defined here:

http://www.usconstitution.net/consttop_citi.html

Since Obama's mother grew up in the United States and traveled as an adult, he qualifies as a natural born U.S. citizen.

But hey, Nice Try, it was a nice try.

Willie Deutsch

I have to say I have known Ken for a while, and he is not a birther. This was a procedural response to a question on how would you go about challenging the birth certificate. He gave a much more reasoned response then the actual birthers who have been trying to challenge Obama's birth certificate. Once again his legal analysis is correct, and people are going crazy.

Sam

What about the very first and very illegal issue surrounding Cuccinelli, HE BROKE THE LAW OF VIRGINIA by representing a friend, RON GRIGNOL in Fairfax County Juvenile Court just 10 days after being sworn in as AG. Cuccinelli are long time friends and share the same radical political views. Why doesn't anyone stand up for the WOMAN who he BULLLIED and HARMED that day. This was not a fair trial for her; she was set up by Cuccinelli and Grignol with false documents and bribery of her lawyer. Why doesnt anyone question this man's stance on Violence Against Women and Bullying. Ron Grignol, a BULLY, is benefitting from Cuccinelli's unethical behavior on January 26 2010.

Bob

Sam, I thought you said you were going to stop posting here?

Kaydee, Nice Try was right. I also believe Obama was born in the U.S., but the point is moot. Natural born means citizen at birth, as your own link points out. Note, the list of qualifications says "Currently..." Determining whether or not Obama was a natural born citizen means we have to look at what made you a natural born citizen at the time he was born. Under that law, if he was born overseas, he would not be natural born, since his mother didn't qualify to bestow citizenship under the law at the time.

Since Obama was born in Hawaii, the point is moot, however.

Spock

Sam- are there any articles about that case you can post a link to?

Willie Deutsch

I have known Ken for years, and he is not a birther.

He was simply giving legal advice when asked a question. Once again when he gives accurate legal advice on a highly controversial question he gets painted like a nut.

Spock

Yes Willie, we can see you have your knee pads on for Coooch.

Wipe your chin and give it up!

Dan

Willie, it is hardly accurate to say that Cuccinelli was only giving a technical legal or "procedural" response. He talks about the plausibility of the birther nonsense.

Cuccinelli is an intelligent man. I don't imagine he believes the crazy birther stuff. But he is clearly pandering to it. If that fits your concept of what a leader should do under those circumstances then I would suggest your standards are not terribly high.

Contrast Cuccinelli's response here to John McCain's response during the presidential campaign to that old woman who had been fed all that bunk about Obama being an Arab. McCain took the microphone and set her straight. He didn't exploit her ignorance. He spoke the truth to her.

I have more respect for Orly Taitz than I do for Ken Cuccinelli. Taitz is clearly mentally disturbed and believes the crazy things she says. Cuccinelli knows better but cynically exploits and panders to the ignorance and fears of these people.

I sure hope Bolling is the Republican Gubernatorial nominee in 2013. I would sure hate to see a man of the low caliber of Ken Cuccinelli in the Governor's mansion.

Ken is definitely not a nut. He is a demagogue.

sconservative

For you to be speculating about Cuccinelli's "birther" status is ridiculous.

Number one, he was discussing the legal side to the argument. He's AG, what do you expect?! And number two, he NEVER SAID he supported the arguements made by "birthers". Rather, he was looking at the legal implications, and then gave a reply to what would happen if Obama's citizenship was challenged.

He gave very accurate advice in answering the question in light of what the law says about the issue.

Fairfax Exile

You know, John McCain can't actually produce his birth certificate since it conveniently got burned in a fire. The level of proof for him is even harder than Obama. The argument that it was front-page news in Panama (since his grandfather was the Admiral there) makes no difference. Obama's birth was announced in the Honolulu paper at the time of his birth, although without as much prominence.

These guys are just bonkers.

Dan

Also, to refer to the location of the president's birth as a "highly controversial question" is pretty laughable. It is most decidedly not a highly controversial issued. It is very much a "contrived" issue whose purpose we all understand.

Willie Deutsch

...and maybe the recent spree of smears on Ken are a contrived issue whose purpose we all understand as well.

Dan

Fairfax Exile, you obviously don't understand that the conspirators used their time machines to travel back in time and place those birth announcements in the papers in Hawaii. Please try to keep up.

Dan

"You know, the speculation is Kenya. And that doesn’t seem beyond the realm of possibility."

I'm not a lawyer, but that doesn't sound like a legal argument to me. Sounds like a politician pandering to the worst in people rather appealing to their better angels. Exploiting ignorance rather than demonstrating leadership.

SE VA MWC Alum

Actually he might be wrong on the first-"someone qualified to be president did not sign it" Isnt their a "10 day excluding Sundays" rule that kicks in if the president has taken no action (neither signed, nor vetoed, nor proposed amendements) within that time period after a bill reaches his desk, then it becomes law if Congress is still in session and dies if congress is adjourned?

Obama may have taken action but if his presidency is void, then the true president (whoever that may be-Biden?, McCain?,) has not acted. So would it not have to be a bill that was signed in the final ten days of a Congressional, session to merit such a challenge.

Full Disclosure-I believe Obama was born in Hawaii, the above is strictly for theoritical purposes.

Spock

Hey Willie, you need to fix the articles on your Coooch fan blog.

Instead of the title Coooch Man of the People it should read:

Coooch: Man of the Wingnut Loons With No Bases in Reality.

The accuracy will give you that much needed respect you are looking for.

Gretchen Laskas

I listened to the piece several times, because I wanted to make sure that it wasn't only a procedural answer. My husband's an attorney, and he gets asked some odd things from time to time, so in that regard, I can be sympathetic to what anyone running for office might have to answer on the spot.

But this CLEARLY goes beyond that. Even when the procedural answer is given, it's almost like he can't help himself and has to add comments like "it's possible" and "plausible." He obviously can't QUITE shut up when he should. (Of course, that's a failure of politicans everywhere.)

So yeah, it's fair game. Sorry!

www.google.com/accounts/o8/id?id=AItOawkYqVwrKwZRlpD2yAerf60smeBA4DpEeUc

I did not know that repeating or quoting what some Republican said was a "smear"!

I also thought that the standard Republican response to being quoted was to reply that it was taken out of context.

One learns new things every day!

Danieldaviesblog.blogspot.com

Cuccinelli is not a "birther" or whatever you want to call people who insist Obama was born overseas. I know him well, and he doesn't go for extreme policies, including this one.

Ken believes in following the Constitutions of the US and Commonwealth, and all laws that comply with them. This recording is lame; he is merely saying that if someone came out with proven evidence Obama was not born in the US, there would be questions as to the legitimacy of laws signed by him. It is an interesting question for constitutional scholars, but nowhere in the quote is Cuccinelli saying he believes Obama was foreign-born or that he will sue to prove so.

This is just another pathetic attack against someone who is doing a good job enforcing the law in VA.

Dan

...and maybe the recent spree of smears on Ken are a contrived issue whose purpose we all understand as well.

Posted by: Willie Deutsch | March 15, 2010 at 01:43 PM

Unless you think all actions by the AG should pass without comment or question, questioning his actions with regard to the anti-discrimination policies of state colleges and universities can hardly be called "smearing" him. I am not talking about people who called him uncomplimentary names or said other ugly things about him. I am talking about citizens (which seemingly includes the governor) who wondered about the wisdom of his action and wanted to understand what motivated it.

I understand you wanting to equate that with this birther pandering. They are hardly equivalent.

This is getting play outside of Virginia. Some of us would prefer that the Commonwealth not be made to look ridiculous to the rest of the country by our statewide elected officials.

Willie Deutsch

...this wouldn't get play outside the commonwealth if Ben didn't post it cause noone would know about it. so really it is Ben who is making the commonwealth look bad.

Gretchen Laskas

Please. Ben wouldn't have had anything to post if Ken hadn't said the remarks in the first place.

The one making the Commonwealth look back is Cuccinelli. No one said he had to make the comments the way he did. But he chose to do so.

Gretchen Laskas

(grin) I meant to type "look bad" but "look back" does just as well when it comes to talking about the current AG.

Spock

Ohhh poor widdle Willie.

His big man crush hero Coooch is screwing up right and left and that pesky 1st Amendment is informing the public about it.

Now, if only Coooch had his way and could install the Mussolini style fascism to be the unchallenged supreme leader he wants to be.

Has Willie grown into his big boy black shirt yet?

Andrew

Obama is best a dual citizen because his dads British Nationality was passed to him. He stated it on his own website Fight the Smears. Also in 1961 Hawaii issued Birth Certificates to people born abroad in other countries. They issued 4 different types. Also Obama is not a Natural Born Citizen. Both Parents have to be US Citizens as stated in Resolution 511 adopted by the House stating McCain was a Natural Born Citizen.

Also no matter where he was born all it would have took was his mother or grandmother to call the Newspapers and announce his birth. Now when it comes to the lady Janice Okubo from the Hawaii Dept of Health stating she has seen Obamas vital records and said he was a natural born citizen, she violated Hawaiian statutes when doing so which has opened a can of worms. Also by stating he is a natural born citizen is troubling. What makes her a expert. Is she a constitutional attorney? No and now she has to back her statement up with proof. She goofed since she has now opened her mouth. A citizen can't be president. Only a Natural Born Citizen can. There is a difference.

The only time a citizen could be president was at the time of the adoption of the constitution. There is a reason that the founders put 2 different types of citizens in that clause.

Article 2 Sec 1 Clause 5

No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.

Dan

Shame on you Ben! Willie says that you are making the Commonwealth look bad.

When you get tape of Cuccinelli saying things like he thinks the president being born in Kenya is plausible you shouldn't share it. Politicians saying things like that for political gain isn't what embarrasses us. If we just keep that sort of thing quiet everything will be fine.

Ben, please stop reporting. You are embarrassing Virginia.

Don't you have any video of Cuccinelli helping little old ladies across the street or playing with puppies? This honest reporting of things that actually happened is bringing shame on Virginia.

Sandy Williamson

After President Obama's Kenya Grandmother stated she remembered being at his birth in Kenya, it did raise the question of his birth place. Although after seeing a Birth Notice in a Hawaiian News Paper, which I'm not so sure it would be easy to fake, I could believe he was born in Hawaii. But then there could be another reason the President doesn't want the public to see his birth certificate, maybe the birth father is not Barack Obama, Senior, just a thought.

Spock

Dan- that blasted Constitution the wingnuts wave around like a cheap flag gets'm every time.

Now, if they only would take the time to read it....

NotJohnSMosby

"I know him well, and he doesn't go for extreme policies, including this one."

So, how would you define "extreme policies"? Crazy Cooch is the poster child of far-right extremism.

Dan

"Also no matter where he was born all it would have took was his mother or grandmother to call the Newspapers and announce his birth."

Aha! See! They were conspiring in 1961 to make him president illegally. Because it was considered so likely in 1961 that a multi-racial kid could easily grow up to be president.

Wait a minute! I thought the conspirators traveled back in time to place those announcements.

Either way this makes SOOOO much sense.

Andrew has brought us the Orly Taitz perspective on the matter. She is the preeminent expert on these matters. She can also sell your house and clean your teeth as well as file a birther lawsuit for you.

And these are the people Cuccinelli was pandering to rather than try to educate. Or if not try to educate them he could have taken a pass on the question as being totally irrelevant to the AG of Virginia.

Tell me again what a "leader" this guy Cuccinelli is.

Dan

NotJohnSMosby, you just think Cuccinelli is the poster child of far right extremism because you are a leftist.

Of course, leftist is defined as anyone to the left of Genghis Khan. Hell, even Barry Goldwater's conservative credentials are suspect with many of these people. I have heard some of them call Goldwater a liberal when it is pointed out he didn't share their zeal for discriminating against homosexuals.

They are completely unspooled.

gwalters

Cuccinelli is a total embarrassment to Virginia. It's not as though the newspapers didn't report on his extremism before the election. It was SO obvious he was going to be on a right wing moral crusade of the worst kind. Way to go Virginia for electing this right wing wack job, along with his side kick McDonnell, who just happens to do a better job of hiding his true colors.

Mike

Long form birth certificate or GTFO. I was born in the US and have one, if you were born in US than you have one. If Obama was truly born in the US, then he should have one. If he has one, it should be released to end this debate once and for all. Or is he just trying to hide the fact that his race on his birth certificate is listed as "White," because the race of the child always follows the race of the mother? Release the damn thing already and be done with it.

gwalters

Is it just me, or does anyone else think that people who post their comments in all caps come across as being a bit crazy?

I only wish people would do their homework before they vote. The things Kookinelli is doing were predictable, and he's only getting started. Just you wait. The trio of McDonnell, Bolling, and Kookinelli will embarrass and set this state back big time. Why do people never learn?

NotJohnSMosby

Agreed gwalters, every Dem expected this, at least I did. Still, I didn't expect this much crazy shit in this short amount of time.

Andrew

Also his vital records have been ammended according to Hawaii Dept of Health. That means there was a adoption or something was changed on his birth certificate. We don't know when or if he actually changed his name from Barry Soetoro back to Barack Obama after his mother divorced Lolo Soetoro, his stepdad. Obama was asked when applying to the Illinois State Bar if he ever used any other aliases. HE said no which obvious was a lie because he was Barry Soetoro when he lived and went to school in Jakarta, Indonesia. Something is on those records that is causing for him to pay the Perkins Coie Law Firm up to 1.7 Million to fight suits to prevent his Records release.

Gretchen Laskas

Right, because birth certificate issues are never possible.

I've posted before that both my sister and I have "illegal" birth certificates. Mine doesn't have a serial number and hers was never officially notarized. Mistakes are made. I can't "prove" that I was born in Philippi WV by producing my birth certificate, even though I have one, the state records are clearly tabulated (thus allowing me to get a passport) and my birth announcement was in the local paper.

And grandmothers with many children often get them mixed up. Anyone from a large family takes these things in stride.

But no -- there must have been some sinister plot. Because it would just be so HELPFUL if there were a secret plot. It couldn't possibly be what it really is.

gwalters

How many times does it need to be stated that Obama has a birth certificate, the original of which is kept in vault in Hawaii, and which has been authenticated by Hawaiian officials? However, a copy of that same birth certificate has been released, and shown on television, along with the birth announcement. I've seen both of them. But then, what does it really matter because no amount of evidence will convince these birthers who continue to grasp at straws, looking for ways to delegitimize a president who was democratically elected by sizable majority. But hey, keep right on trying, because you just make yourselves look stupid.

Bob

"Long form birth certificate or GTFO. I was born in the US and have one, if you were born in US than you have one. If Obama was truly born in the US, then he should have one..." - Mike

Ummm.... If you were really born in the US you would know every state has its own form, and not every state has a "long form." In fact, I don't have a long form. Hawaii in 1961 only issued Certifications of Live Birth. Thousands of people born in Hawaii in 1961 have come forward to say their birth certificate is identical to the one Obama released.

Sorry, but Orly Taitz just isn't a realiable source of information.

Bob

Mike and Andrew - Here's what I'd like to know. Why would the REPUBLICAN government of Hawaii want to keep a fact like this secret? What reason would the REPUBLICAN administration of the state have to lie and say Obama's birth record is valid?

I've heard many motives suggested for Obama (most of them obvious), but no one has EVER given me a legit motive for the REPUBLICAN executive government of Hawaii to "pretend" Obama's birth certificate is legit.

Dan

gwalters, it doesn't matter. These people are true believers in the conspiracy no matter how nutty it seems to rational people.

It wouldn't matter what you showed them. They would not be satisfied. They would say it was either falsified or somehow inadequate and would want some further "proof".

And if you produced that further "proof" they would still not be satisfied. The clouds could part and God could speak and they would still not accept it.

You can be sure that right up until January 2017 when he leaves office these people will be claiming he is not really president.

Gretchen Laskas

It's like the old Simon and Garfunkle song: "A man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest....."

Spock

Orly Taitz= The Courtney Love of wingnut loondom.

Andrew

Hawaii issued 4 different types of Birth Certificates. Obama stated he found his Birth Certificate (Not the COLB posted online) while going through his mothers belongings in the mid 90s in his book Dreams of my Father which means he does have a long form. Here is a birth certificate from the Nordyke twins who was said to have been born a day after Obama in Hawaii.

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?pageId=105347

Also Hawaii provided more than one Birth Certificate in 1961.

Generally, folks don't know that Hawaii law, even in 1961, provided for multiple kinds of birth records, most of which are not what people think of when they think of birth certificates. The following is a description of those, including certificates for people not born in Hawaii. Go figure!

1. In the State of Hawaii, back in 1961, there were three different birth certificates that were obtainable: a. If the birth was attended by a physician or mid wife, the attending medical professional was required to certify to the Department of Health the facts of the birth date, location, parents’ identities and other information. (See Section 57-8 & 9 of the Territorial Public Health Statistics Act in the 1955 Revised Laws of Hawaii which was in effect in 1961). b. In 1961, if a person was born in Hawaii but not attended by a physician or mid wife, then, up to the first birthday of the child, an adult could, upon testimony, file a “Delayed Certificate”, which required endorsement on the Delayed Certificate of a summary statement of the evidence submitted in support of the acceptance for delayed filing, which evidence must be kept in a special permanent file. The statute provided that the probative value of the Delayed Certificate must be determined by the judicial or administrative body or official before whom the certificate is offered as evidence. (See Section 57-18, 19 & 20 of the Territorial Public Health Statistics Act in the 1955 Revised Laws of Hawaii which was in effect in 1961). c. If a child born in Hawaii, for whom no physician or mid wife filed a certificate of live birth, and for whom no Delayed Certificate was filed before the first birthday, then a Certificate of Hawaiian Birth could be issued upon testimony of an adult including the subject person) if the Lieutenant Governor was satisfied that a person was born in Hawaii, provided that the person had attained the age of one year. (See Section 57-40 of the Territorial Public Health Statistics Act in the 1955 Revised Laws of Hawaii which was in effect in 1961).

2. In 1982, the vital records law was amended to create a fourth kind of birth certificate for children born outside of the Territory or State of Hawaii. HRS Chapter 338 was amended to add a new section authorizing the Director of the Department of Health to issue a birth certificate for a person NOT born in Hawaii either as a Territory or State, upon sufficient proof that the legal parents of such individual had declared the Territory or State of Hawaii as their legal residence for at least one year immediately preceding the birth of such child.


gwalters

Here's another question for the birthers. Our president has access to extremely sensitive highly classified information. Therefore, he would require pretty high level security clearance. Now, don't you think that the people tasked with doing his security clearance would have uncovered problems with his citizenship, if anything actually existed. And, as much as the GOP wants to destroy Obama, don't you think they would have played that card a long time ago, if there was actually anything to it? You birthers really need to get over it and move on. Your assertions are not even logical. Normal people in this country just aren't buying it.

Brian W. Schoeneman

The AG's explanation of the law is correct. His claim that it is plausible that the President is from Kenya is not correct. It's not plausible at all.

I can give him the benefit of the doubt when he answers the legal question, but treating these birthers like they've got a legitimate policy issue here is just absurd.

Haywood Jablomi

Brian, it's called P A N D E R I N G.

NotJohnSMosby

The President doesn't need to apply for a security clearance, so no investigation would have been needed nor done.

Look, it's real simple. No birth certificate or anything else will make him a white Anglo-Saxon protestant with a white Anglo-Saxon name. That's the real issue the birthers have.

Brian W. Schoeneman

I know what it is, Haywood. Some pandering I can understand. Pandering that gives credence to an argument that is both false and adversely impacts the fundamental legitimacy of our government goes too far.

Gretchen Laskas

It's now up at the WASHINGTON MONTHLY blog:

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/

I'll be honest, I really hate seeing Virginia portrayed this way. I knew it was going to happen (KC had been my state senator, after all), and I tried my best to keep it from happening (he did not win my precinct), but it's clear that we're in for a long four years.

www.google.com/accounts/o8/id?id=AItOawkYqVwrKwZRlpD2yAerf60smeBA4DpEeUc

" Resolution 511 adopted by the House stating McCain was a Natural Born Citizen."

I did not know that a congressional resolution could trump the constitution 0r statute!

Casey

This man also tried to remove language that protects against discrimination in public universities. MAKE THE CRAZY STOP.

More coverage here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oqsMBPhVUsU

jestcheckin

Virginia is for "SPITERS". Northrup Grumman are you paying attention?

change

I haven’t really followed this issue but if it’s true that they won’t release a “birth certificate” it is a bit hard to understand. Seems to me that KC was just giving a response on the manner in which a legal challenge might proceed and not advocating one.

Seems like a non issue to me so I think for laughs I’ll go back and listen to Bolling’s “the size of your endowment” video.

Joe Taylor

Gov. Linda Lingle of Hawaii gave Sarah Palin a glowing introduction at the Republican National Convention. If there was any reasonable doubt that O wasn't born in Hawaii, Lingle would have brought it to light

James Young

Hey, Spock, you're confusing Willie with a Liberal. We Conservatives don't require our interns ... er, adherents to assume that position with regard to leaders.

As for this "controversy," y'all might want to read the AG's response here: http://nbc12.wordpress.com/2010/03/15/cuccinelli-responds-to-birther-conversation/.

That is, if you care.

Dan

Okay, James. I read it. He is back peddling from what he said. That is what every single Republican politician who has played this game does. It doesn't erase his earlier remarks.

This is very familiar ground:

Politician makes remarks to pander to birthers by indicating their bizarre conspiacy theories may be plausible.

Politician gets called out on it by sane people.

Politician claims remarks were either misinterpreted or taken out of context. And gee whiz, the politician doesn't think Obama was born in Kenya.

And the birthers "know" he is one of them and are therefore more likely to support him in the next election.

Mission accomplished.

This is hardly the first time we have seen this.

Spock

James-

Oh really? I seem to remember a cute little story about Morton Blackwell and an intern which caused him to have to leave his position as White House staff assistant during the Reagan admin...hmmm?

Now, back to the Coooch...

I just read his back handed attempt to appear sane, and it would hold a lot more value if he would speak out against and denounce the whole birther movement.

HIs recording was about pandering as well as not so clever tap dancing to appear sympathetic to the loons...for votes...what a hoe!

Chocolate Chip Cookie

Paging Keith Olbermann, paging Keith Olbermann

Not Karl Rove

Cooch is out of step with the folks in Fairfax. He knows it! In fact,there's a rumor that he's moving to Prince William county. Sadly, his radical ideas may be too radical for PW too.

Rtwng Extrmst

NLS, I think you are becoming more shrill by the minute. Clearly Ken is not a "birther". The video effectively shows he was answering a question about how this might play out legally.

COOCH FOR PRESIDENT

OBAMA IS A MUSLIM... HE REFUSES TO SHOW HIS BIRTH CERTIFICATE... WHERE IS THE BIRTH CERTIFICATE HUESSEIN???!

OBAMA IS TRYING TO USE SWINE FLU TO FORM A POLICE STATE AND TAKE OUR GUNS AND IMPRISON "DISSIDENTS"

TO ALL PATRIOTS - NOW IS THE TIME TO RISE UP AGAINST THE LIBERALS AND MUSLIMS

RON PAUL RON PAUL RON PAUL

COOCH FOR PRESIDENT!

RON PAUL FOR VP!

GERRY CONNOLLY FOR SECRETARY OF STATE!!

James Young

Spock, it is well that you hide your identity like the coward that you are, for what you said about Morton Blackwell is beyond any doubt actionable.

'Course, considering the source, there's probably no damages.

NotJohnSMosby

James,

Anyone tell you today that you're a fucking douchebag?

COOCH FOR PRESIDENT

JAMES YOUNG FOR PRESIDENT

HUSSEIN SHOW YOUR BIRTH CERTIFICATE!

9/11 WAS AN INSIDE JOB!1

Spock

James- stop being a douchebag.

Morton wants file suit, make this whole thing public?

Then let the stupid prick open up that can of worms!

He knows better than that.

It's been inside beltway buzz for decades.

A nice public investigative story about what really happen will only benefit our side.

change

We have the Mexicans slaughtering American citizens, congress passing major legislation in a manner typical of a banana republic, our country’s credit rating fast moving into the “bankrupt” status, as the children who gained control of our country play fast and loose with our laws and our posterity.

Our country is now the laughing stock of the world, no country respects us even third world dictators give us the finger (not calling us number one).

Meanwhile this silly post gets a hundred responses, mostly from whiny liberals in an alternate universe.

Is this all the left has to offer?

In a word…. pathetic…

or better yet …

In a word…. November.


I really can’t wait till the adults get back in charge.

Gretchen Laskas

Yeah, because life was so great while Bush was President and the Republicans were in charge.

Not.

Dan

Gretchen, I am sure change won't understand your last comment at all. The one thing that Republicans seem determined not to recognize is that the results of the 2006 and 2008 elections were a response to the abysmal job the Republicans did while they were in charge of the government.

Even reasonably serious Republicans seem to have a total blind spot in this regard. They spin out all kinds of theories to explain two consecutive wave elections. But they seem incapable of acknowledging Republican incompetence having achieved a critical mass as a cause.

local gop

It's insulting to my intelligence for the far right to attempt to justify these comments as "just an interpretation of the law." This is the second time that the AG has made comments that are grounded in his far right politics and then relied on his supporters to hide behind the law as justification. Does anyone remember another VA AG doing this within 2 months of being sworn in?

COOCH IS SIDESHOW FREAK

Cooch is a sideshow freak LOL!!!!

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