Attorney General Ken Cuccinelli has been in the news a lot recently for his lawsuit against the EPA, his letter to colleges telling them to change their non-discrimination policies and his efforts to defund Planned Parenthood. But he's not done making news yet!
In this recording, Ken is caught talking about how to challenge Barack Obama's birth certificate. Check it out on the youtube below- the full transcript is below the video.
Q What can we do about Obama and the birth certificate thing?
Cooch: It will get tested in my view when someone… when he signs a law, and someone is convicted of violating it and one of their defenses will be it is not a law because someone qualified to be President didn’t sign it.
Q: Is that something you can do as Attorney General? Can you do that or something?
Cooch: Well only if there is a conflict where we are suing the federal government for a law they’ve passed. So it’s possible.
Q: Because we are talking about the possibility that he was not born in America.
Cooch: Right. But at the same time under Rule 11, Federal Rule 11, we gotta have proof of it.
Q: How can we get proof?
Cooch: Well… that’s a good question. Not one I’ve thought a lot about because it hasn’t been part of my campaign. Someone is going to have to come forward with nailed down testimony that he was born in place B, wherever that is. You know, the speculation is Kenya. And that doesn’t seem beyond the realm of possibility.
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Posted by: Gretchen Laskas | March 16, 2010 at 12:26 PM
Surely by now, AG Cuccinelli knows that in the Commonwealth of Virginia, all candidates whose names the state prints on the ballot must be eligible for the job; that members of the D Corporation swore to the Board of Elections Barack Obama was Constitutionally eligible to be President; and that members of the D Corporation have been unwilling to disclose on what documentary basis they ascertained this eligibility. Mr. Cuccinelli must also know that his office has received several citizen complaints of election fraud against members of the D Corporation for such false swearing without ascertaining beforehand whether the facts sworn were true. At this point, he should know, he can determine whether Mr. Obama was born in the U.S.A., without a birth certificate. Here's how.
Nancy Pelosi, Chair of the 2008 DNC Services Corporation Convention not only signed the D Corporation eligibility Certification for Barack Obama but also delivered this to Virginia election officials. Given the overwhelmingly strong circumstantial evidence presented in these citizen complaints, that all of these D Certifications of Barack Obama's eligibility for President are a lie - ha, even current White House Counsel Bob Bauer, asking a federal court in Hollister to take judicial notice his client, Defendant Barack Obama, was eligible to be President, did not refer the court to any of these D Certifications, let alone produce a Certified copy of any of the actual Certifications submitted to state election officials in several states, including Virginia - Cuccinelli can simply ask Ms. Pelosi this question: "On what documentary basis did you ascertain Barack Obama was Constitutionally eligible to be President before you swore to the Commonwealth of Virginia Board of Elections, he was qualified for the job?" (See Virginia citizen complaint of election fraud to AG Cuccinelli, posted in the sidebar on my blog, http://jbjd.wordpress.com )
Posted by: jbjd | March 16, 2010 at 01:17 PM
Wow, jbjd! Ken should jump right on this. He should make it the top priority of the AG's office.
(Psst. He does understand that Obama isn't white doesn't he?)
Maybe he could hire Orly Taitz as a special prosecutor to assist with looking into these citizen complaints. I'm sure she would be more than happy to help. Especially now that the appeal of those pesky sanctions is over.
I can't think of a more appropriate attorney to help the AG with this. Her legal work is about as serious as the issue involved.
Posted by: Dan | March 16, 2010 at 01:43 PM
Dan, your blindness is revealing as are so many others who posted nonsense responses.
jbjd is correct. There is only one question the AG needs to ask and jbjd expressed it well "On what documentary basis did you ascertain Barack Obama was Constitutionally eligible to be President before you swore to the Commonwealth of Virginia Board of Elections, he was qualified for the job?"
I was a devoted Dem and left the Party on May 31, 2008 following the theft of Hillary Clinton's delegates by the D Corporation's Rules & Bylaws Committee. Google Harold Ickes and watch his response to the theft.
The biggest secret the D's are keeping from their brethren is millions of us former D's left the Party in 2008. We left because we witnessed and have testified to countless acts of election fraud perpetrated by Obama AND the D Corporation. We have no intention of returning.
Instead of cynicism and ridicule try some self educating for a change. jbjd has worked since the primary to stop the fraud and then to expose the fraud. Her posts tell the entire story. But if you prefer to only go to blogs that serve as echo chambers then you are in for one helluva whack upside your head and deservedly so.
Btw, my name is Helen Tansey and am the proprietor of The T-Room blog at www.t-room.us
Posted by: helen | March 16, 2010 at 01:58 PM
Ah, let the misdirection begin.
Dan @1:43 PM ostensibly responds to my comment posted @1:17, using my moniker in the first line, of his. But looks are deceiving. See, my comments describe citizen complaints of election fraud filed by Virginians based on the refusal of members of the D Corporation to disclose on what documentary basis they ascertained BO was a NBC. And Dan's comeback is 1) Barack Obama is not white; and 2) Orly Taitz appealed court sanctions.
Now, to repeat my question, which Dan has failed to address: On what documentary basis did Nancy Pelosi, Chair of the 2008 DNC Services Corporation Convention ascertain Barack Obama was Constitutionally eligible to be President before she swore to the Commonwealth of Virginia Board of Elections, he was qualified for the job?
Posted by: jbjd | March 16, 2010 at 02:07 PM
helen-
Millions of you left, yet PRESIDENT Obama (sorry to rub it in, but deal with it) got more votes than any other Presidential candidate in American history, by a lot. "Millions" seems a lot more like "dozens" to me....
Posted by: Bob | March 16, 2010 at 02:11 PM
jbjd and helen, please don't misunderstand me. I fully support your efforts to get AG Cuccinelli to make this a priority. And judging by his early actions in office I think you have a decent chance to get him to do so.
I will go further to say that you should judge him by whether he does this or not. Please hold him accountable over whether he pursues this or not.
helen, I think you may want to speak with Secretary Clinton about your views on the nomination process. She does not share your views. And she made that abundantly and publicly clear. She made clear to her supporters (the ones who were listening) what she wanted them to do going forward. The administrator of this blog was one of her strongest supporters. He heard her and did what she requested. You must have missed her very clear statement. Or you chose not to give her the same respect.
I am quite familiar with Harold Ickes and the statements he made when advocating that position while he was fighting tooth and nail to help Clinton win the nomination. Are you familiar with how equally forcefully he advocated for precisely the opposite position as a member of the DNC before he was on the Clinton campaign payroll?
I don't point this inconsistency out to be critical of Mr. Ickes. He was advocating for his candidate when he completely contradicted his previous position. I would sure want him on my side in a political fight. He is tough.
I point out his previous position in case you are unaware of it. I would like to assume you are unaware of it rather than that you cherry pick facts to cling to a view of the 2008 nomination fight that even your preferred candidate does not hold.
Posted by: Dan | March 16, 2010 at 02:37 PM
Born to a British subject father, Obama was a Natural Born British Subject. Period.
His U.S. citizenship at birth was due him, by law, under either 8 USC 1401 or 1409. However, a citizen-at-birth is not a 'natural born citizen.'
Article II describes how a native-born British subject is eligible to be president. He had to be 'naturalized' a U.S. citizen by the adoption of the U.S. constitution.
After the 'time of adoption,' an American-born British subject only gained citizenship as an adult through legal domicile, or the 14th Amendment. These U.S. native-born citizens were not 'natural born citizens' due to their British nationality from the father.
Test: After 8 years of bloody war, would the founding fathers permit a British subject to the presidency? Even if his mother was a U.S. citizen? Even if he was born on U.S. soil?
The answer is obvious . . . NO.
Posted by: LAD | March 16, 2010 at 04:45 PM
Dan @2:37, your comment conflates the conduct of a political party – the D Corporation – with our Constitutional Republic.
The Founders failed to include ‘political parties’ in the Constitution, evidencing they found this construct was immaterial to the creation and maintenance of our Constitutional Republic. And several prominent thinkers of the time warned of the potential danger inherent in special interests gathered together in these cliques, to undermine the whole experiment.
Granted, this potential harm could never have materialized had we been on our toes. But, unfortunately, over time, we failed to appreciate that, the primary mission of political parties, or clubs; is to get the state to print the names of club candidates on the ballot. Or that these clubs in no way supplant the statutory or constitutional (state and federal) mandates required of the candidates affiliated with those parties, once these candidates become holders of these statutory and Constitutional offices.
Comments like yours implicitly ask us to relinquish the authority to govern ourselves, deferring instead to the request of a member of the club that we go along with the club’s internal machinations notwithstanding the adverse impact we believe such acquiescence inflicts on the sanctity of our electoral process. Such inability to distinguish the difference between constructed interests, like club affiliation or loyalty, on the one hand; and inherent powers, like overseeing the integrity of the ballot, on the other; has robbed us of our popular authority. And all public power thus lost has inured to the benefit of those private special interests.
Whether any criticism of members of the D Club can be said to be consistent; or whether favored D’s would have us follow their recommendations; or whether we choose to follow these recommendations; is irrelevant to a complaint that members of this club have abused our electoral process, fraudulently obtaining the official imprimatur of the state on their internal party shenanigans.
Allowing the D Corporation continued access to our state ballots, given their refusal to produce requested documentation that was the basis for their Certification to state election officials that BO was Constitutionally qualified for the job of POTUS to get these officials to print his name next to the D on the state ballot; or re-electing any of the A’sG in applicable states who have refused to investigate the resulting charges of election fraud; reflects poorly on us as fiduciaries of this Constitutional Republic, and not so much on those political parties we feel have done us wrong.
Please, next time, address the question.
Posted by: jbjd | March 16, 2010 at 07:31 PM
jbjd, it is highly ironic that you should close your remarks with:
"Please, next time, address the question."
since your rather lengthy remarks responding to my 2:37 comment had almost nothing to do with anything I had written.
We may have a substantial area of agreement about the stranglehold that the two major parties have over ballot access under the election laws in all fifty states. Personally I would like to see an easier road available to those who might like to attempt to build a new national party and get its candidates on the ballot.
While you may abhor the place political parties have come to play in our Republic I would suggest that that horse left the barn long ago. Before the dawn of the 19th century. By the time of the election of our second president, John Adams, political parties were playing a major role in the process.
Of course, none of that has a thing to do with what I was talking about. I was addressing the problem Helen had with the enforcement of the internal rules of a political party of which she had voluntarily chosen to become a member. Which in no way conflicts with constitutional government. It has only to do with the selection of that party's candidate.
The mere fact that Helen wanted the rules to be changed retroactively in order to award the nomination to a candidate she favored and that the relevant party committee properly enforced the rules as written and known to all candidates well before the campaign began hardly can be construed as contributing to "election fraud" as your fanciful theories would have it.
You are welcome to all the crazy theories you like about the place of birth of the president or that he was somehow not eligible to be on the ballot by virtue of heaven knows what. I am sure nothing anyone could ever say would dissuade you. Conspiracy theorists rarely accept anything that doesn't support the conspiracy theory.
I would simply point out that the opposition Republican Party, which has shown no hesitation to litigate over election results, has not pursued any of your rather interesting legal theories. If there was anything remotely plausible in them I suspect they would have acted upon them long ago.
Posted by: Dan | March 16, 2010 at 09:50 PM
Dan @9:50PM, I will grant that all of the allegations you make in this comment are true. Okay, now that that's settled, back to the pertinent question, which still has no response.
Given that Virginia election law only allows the names of eligible candidates to appear on the ballot; and given that Nancy Pelosi, Chair of the 2008 DNC Convention swore in the official DNC Certification of Barack Obama's Nomination she sent to Virginia election officials that he was an eligible candidate for President; and given that based on Ms. Pelosi's Certification, these election officials printed the name Barack Obama on Virginia's 2008 general election ballot; on what documentary basis did Ms. Pelosi ascertain Mr. Obama is a NBC BEFORE signing and forwarding this Certification? (FYI, several citizens have already asked but Ms. Pelosi (and Alice Germond, Secretary of the D Corporation and co-signer of that Certification) refuses to answer the question. Have you read the citizen complaint of election fraud to AG Cuccinelli? It's all in there. http://jbjd.wordpress.com )
Posted by: jbjd | March 17, 2010 at 07:49 AM
jbjd, I guess I am faced with the choice of either accepting that the folks at the State Board of Elections did their jobs properly (which they have an admirable and lengthy history of doing) or accepting the validity of the conspiracy du jour of folks who are unhappy that Obama was elected president and who produce an endless stream of new justifications for their contention that he is not the "legitimate" president. Given that choice I am going to pick the folks at the SBE every time.
I suspect that Cuccinelli will not be aggressively pursuing this latest in a line of such things. But I suspect that won't deter you and your cohorts. You will spin a new tale to "prove" he is not the "legitimate" president. Check your wall. There are many things sliding down, but nothing is sticking.
Here is a novel idea. If you are unhappy with the result of the last election, roll up your sleeves and try to defeat him in the election in 2012. It isn't as much fun as making stuff up but it is far more effective than what you are doing now. And far more honest too.
That is one of the wonderful things about democracy. There is always another election.
Posted by: Dan | March 17, 2010 at 09:08 AM
Dan @ 9:08AM writes,
"jbjd, I guess I am faced with the choice of either accepting that the folks at the State Board of Elections did their jobs properly (which they have an admirable and lengthy history of doing) or accepting the validity of the conspiracy du jour of folks who are unhappy that Obama was elected president and who produce an endless stream of new justifications for their contention that he is not the "legitimate" president. Given that choice I am going to pick the folks at the SBE every time."
Dan, straw dogs. No VA law requires the BoE to vet the Presidential nominee from the major political party as to qualifications for the job, even though VA law only allows the names of eligible candidates to be printed on the ballot. The law only requires the party to pick its candidate according to party rules. (§ 24.2-525. Persons entitled to have name printed on ballot.) And D party rules require the nominee for POTUS to be Constitutionally eligible for the job. (All of this is in the citizen complaint.)
"I suspect that Cuccinelli will not be aggressively pursuing this latest in a line of such things. But I suspect that won't deter you and your cohorts. You will spin a new tale to "prove" he is not the "legitimate" president. Check your wall. There are many things sliding down, but nothing is sticking."
I cannot say for certain why these efforts of activist citizens to comprehend OUR laws; to carry out OUR laws; and to compel OUR elected officials to investigate violations of OUR laws arouses such disdain and ridicule.
"Here is a novel idea. If you are unhappy with the result of the last election, roll up your sleeves and try to defeat him in the election in 2012. It isn't as much fun as making stuff up but it is far more effective than what you are doing now. And far more honest too."
Citizens like me, who believe the integrity of our electoral process has been undermined have the legal right to redress such violations of process. If our charges are correct then, a crime has been committed. And if we cannot utilize EXISTING laws to right that wrong; or if we cannot persuade CURRENT officials to do their jobs then, what difference does it make to enact NEW laws, or elect NEW officials? The issue is not which candidate holds office but what means were used to achieve this result.
"That is one of the wonderful things about democracy. There is always another election."
More straw dogs. People with a good faith well-documented belief that election fraud has occurred are willing to subject ourselves to public scorn from others, like you, so as to preserve our democracy, and not to preserve the selection of any one candidate versus another.
Given your apparent certainty that DNC Chair Nancy Pelosi had a documentary basis for issuing that Certification of Nomination, please, ask her what that was.
P.S. I wish you would ask yourself this question. Why, 5 (five) months after Ms. Pelosi issued that Certification, which persuaded election officials in applicable states that Mr. Obama was Constitutionally eligible to be President; was the "best evidence" Attorney Bob Bauer offered up to establish his client's eligibility, only his word that, the Defendant had publicly released his birth certificate? And why did Attorney Bauer not hand over one of Ms. Pelosi's formal sworn Certifications of his Nomination, when this sworn document persuaded VA BoE officials he was Constitutionally qualified to get his name printed on the ballot?
Posted by: jbjd | March 17, 2010 at 11:56 AM
jbjd, if you believe the law has been violated then you should of course feel free to pursue it. I suspect you will get about as far as the merits of your case warrant. Which is to say, not very far.
You have a Virginia AG who has demonstrated that he will pander to folks who persist in promoting the long discredited notion that the president was born in Kenya and who has stated his intention to file suit against the federal government over the health care bill. But even he is highly unlikely to take up your rather questionable cause. He hopes to have a political future and he is smart enough to back up before making himself appear too foolish.
It is a small point, but you refer to Nancy Pelosi as "DNC Chair Nancy Pelosi". She has never been the DNC Chair.
There is a place for making arguments that are purely political. And that is not in the courts. As a federal judge in Georgia (a Bush appointee) said when he sanctioned Orly Taitz for her antics it isn't proper to use "the courts as a platform for a political agenda disconnected from any legitimate legal cause of action." The 11th Circuit denied her appeal of those sanctions.
I don't look for Cuccinelli to go into court to blather on about weird birther theories and that the president isn't really the president anytime soon. It is one thing to pander to a group of birthers by indicating you think their theories are plausible. It is another matter to waste a judge's time with crank political diatribes in his courtroom. Whatever else one may think of the AG, he is not a dope.
Posted by: Dan | March 17, 2010 at 03:32 PM
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Dan @3:32PM, more straw dogs. Only the Attorney General has the statutory authority to seek a criminal indictment. Election fraud here is a criminal offense. Citizens in applicable states, that is, states in which these citizens have already enacted laws requiring only the names of eligible candidates to be printed on their ballots; are merely reporting a crime to the chief law enforcement official in the state.
I am so sorry; of course, Nancy Pelosi was never Chair of the DNC. She was Chair of the 2008 DNC Convention.
Dan, given that no provision of any law, state or federal, requires any public official to determine whether the candidate for President from a major political party is a NBC; and that no provision of the Constitution requires the Electors (now chosen exclusively by the political party) to vet whether the party nominee is a NBC (or even to vote only for a NBC); and given your expressed disdain for attempts to enforce current laws mandating ballot access only to eligible candidates; can you propose a means by which we can ensure our Presidents are qualified under Article II, section 1 of the U.S. Constitution?
Posted by: jbjd | March 17, 2010 at 04:52 PM
I disagree with AG Cuccinelli's analysis that if Obama is not a NBC then, he is not President; and any bill he signs is unlawful. The Electors elected him; the Congress ratified the vote of the Electors; and the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court swore him into office. All prescribed by the Constitution. (This also means, he can only be removed from office through Articles of Impeachment.)
Posted by: jbjd | March 17, 2010 at 04:55 PM
The other issue is that in order to go to the Indonesia school that BHO attended as a child, citizenship to the US needed to be reneged upon. This fact would invalidate his eligibility for president. There are 2 different schools of thought. But the bottom line in all this is for whatever reason he has paid over a million in legal costs to not produce a birth certificate. Why????
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