Liberty Allows Guns On Campus

Even for Liberty standards this is incredibly stupid.

Comments

[Brian]

Hey Ben,

Don't you remember the whole "guns in bars" and how you predicted that would end in a drunken bloodbath? CWP holders have a lower incident of violent crime than even police officers! The only people who will be carrying guns now on Liberty's campus that weren't before are those who have enough respect for rules and regulations that they obeyed a ban when they likely would not have been caught anyway (how do you know what i have under my shirt?). These are not the people you need to be concerned about.

[Noticed]

Let's face it: Ben knows something about "incredibly stupid." He lives it every day! Speaking of which, how is Janet Oleszek doing?

[Ghost of RWR]

I’ll bet the Brady folks will offer a bill that bans the right of a private school to do this…in keeping with their long-held love affair with controlling your life in every respect.

[Ralph]

Wait until the General Assembly session convenes and then we'll see which side wants to control our lives in every respect.

[just the facts]

Agreed with Ralph. Taliban bob has already introduced a personhood amendment. Will Dick Black who claimed to be all about jobs during the campaign against Shawn Mitchell be far behind in trying to control womens' uteruses and access to contraception and stem cell research?

[just the facts]

Brian. Yeah I really want inebriated people packing heat around bars. Remember Plexicoe Burris? Shot himself in the foot in a bar. If you allow idiots to do dangerous and idiotic things like pack heat under the influence it is just a matter of time till bad things happen.

[Reggie]

Yes, VA CCP holders who have been fingerprinted, and undergone local, state, and federal background checks are permitted to carry firearms on campus. How many more hoops would you prefer a law-abiding citizen jump through before being permitted to exercise a constitutional right?

[Jus Sayin']

Plaxico broke the law. A legal CCP holder would not be breaking the law (and probably would have a better idea of how the machinery works than Plaxico . . . but I love what he's doing for the J-E-T-S.

[Tucker Watkins]

Look at what happened at the Appalachian School of Law when a student started shooting and there was a gun available to stop it.

[A Voter]

This is a smart move by Liberty! I bet the students at Virginia Tech wish that there had been more armed (law abiding) students that could have defended themselves a few years back.

[Brian]

just the facts. I'm going to copy/paste what I said in Ben's "Guns in Bars" blog. No one answered the question, and I just have a hard time understanding why libs who are able to use facts and numbers to support their arguments in most situations completely avoid them when it comes to firearms and resort to appeals to fear like "I really want inebriated people packing heat".
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Is one negligent discharge (the gun went off in his pocket, he didn't pick a fight a shoot someone because he was drunk) enough to justify the "wild west" and "bloodbath" rhetoric of gun-control advocates? What about 2 incidents? What about 1-2 a year? What other things should we outlaw if 1-2 idiots (a very high estimate for the current topic we are discussing) a year decide to break the law?

[Brian]

just the facts. I quoted the wrong part of your post. Your appeal to fear was "it is just a matter of time till bad things happen." But will you apply that same logic to paroled prisoners who commit another crime, or someone abusing a our social welfare system?

[Matt]

My main concern with allowing guns on campus is the fact that people are drunk all the time and are more likely to make stupid mistakes. At Liberty, this isn't an issue.

[Bubby Hussein, Hillbilly Sheikh]

Hey, anyone hear about the dude who shot himself in the Spotsylvania County grocery store parking lot last week? This highly-skilled CWP holder was reaching for his seat belt and mistook his pistol trigger for the belt release! Put a round into his hip and bled out in front of his kids!

Google "man accidentally shoots self" - send any one of the hundreds of tragic news stories to our little buddies over at the NRA:
armedcitizen@nrahq.org.

They're always looking for stories about Armed Citizens in action!

[Valley Indie]

Smart move by Liberty. Banning guns always makes people safer, right? Because, of course, people who are going to commit gun violence would never break a rule about carrying a gun where they're not allowed to.

How'd the gun ban work out at Va Tech?

[Not Einstien]

Absent a controlled experiment, equal comparison & accurate data, (e.g., 10 colleges w/ CWP's allowed, 10 w/o) you really need to rely on common sense, political beliefs aside. Sure, the killing would have been reduced at Tech if any one of those students had a weapon.....hell, it probably wouldn't have happened at all if the perp knew that others may have easy access to weapons. That being said....and think about this a minute....how many of those alcohol/weed fueled pissing contests that you got into while in college would have ended differently if you or the other guy had a gun?

[Bubby Hussein, Hillbilly Sheikh]

Guns weren't banned at Va Tech, they were just in the hands of cops chasing phantom suspects for two hours, or hiding behind trees outside Norris Hall...while 30 more people were shot.

[Not Bubby]

Not Einstein -- that's the same argument put forward by every gun grabber anytime bans are discussed. Funny thing though, those kinds of incidents just don't happen in "shall issue" states like Va.

Hey, how 'bout that.

[NotJohnSMosby]

If Liberty students want to kill each other, I say let them.

[Ghost of RWR]

Once again NJSMosby renders ample evidence of why no one should breed from him…you are beyond pathetic. Have your point that you don’t like the policy. Fine. But even in humor to suggest people would be fine with kids killing each other is unspeakably stupid and despicable. Ben should remove it. But probably won’t.

[Not Bubby]

NJSM shows again that s/he/it is a mouth-breathing moron.

[Grover Numbquist]

Aw...Not John S Mosby is the ultimate liberterian.

[James Young]

Funny, but it's been allowed at Hampden-Sydney for as long as I've been aware of it. The last murder recorded there was in the early 1800s.

[Bubby Hussein, Hillbilly Sheikh]

Sorry Jimbo, you are wrong AGAIN! No gun carry at Hampden-Sydney brother.
http://www.hsc.edu/Student-Life/Handbook-The-Key/Appendices-of-Justice-System/Firearms.html

[Valley Indie]

Bubby must not have much experience at H-SC. Anyone who has spent any time there at all knows that concealed carry is permitted. There is also an extensive locker system that contains the largest private armory in the Commonwealth, all owned by the students.

H-SC is extremely gun friendly.

[Jack]

I suspect that campus gun bans, and carry bans, in public colleges will soon be a thing of the past. It simply cannot pass constitutional muster than one must relinquish one's rights to attend college.

[Not Einstien]

As an interesting aside, the real John Singleton Mosby, while a student at UVa, was not bothered by any CWP ; he shot a fellow student & spent about 6 months in jail awaiting trail.

[Jack]

Yes, but he DID shoot in self-defense.

[just the facts]

Ghost,

Who are you to lecture people on taste? You who think any scent of government trying to give disadvantaged people a hand up or barring abusive or discrimatory treatment of others smacks of socialism or a nanny state and would rather people wallow in poverty than that the well off invest sure we have an infrastructure and workforce of tomorrow that keeps us competitive.../.

And btw, where were you in complaining about taste when Caren Merrick lied to the brother of a Virginia Tech victim about her position on gun registration? And then releasing her NRA survey indicating that so close to the election she couldn't be called on it? That's pretty despicable, wouldn't you say?

[just the facts]

Brian,

I provided evidence. You hear quite frequently about intended discharges of weapons leading to people shooting themselves or incidents where the wife or girlfriend gets shot or assaulted by a drunk man who is carrying a weapon. We really want to tempt fate by making this legal? That's not an appeal to fear... that's an appeal to LOGIC!

[just the facts]

A Voter,

I bet not. You know Keith Fimian's assertion that everyone carrying weapons at Tech would have avoided this cost him his bid at a congressional seat against Gerry Connelly. WaPo documented that even GOP aligned mothers in Fairfax couldnt bring themselves to pull that level after he proposed making Tech into the Wild Wild West

[NotJohnSMosby]

I encourage Liberty to set aside a designated dueling ground, so that if a disagreement between two or hopefully more students erupts, they can handle the issue just like they did in Old Virginny. Since Republicans are so set on turning the clock back to the 19th century, I say, go for it.

[Elliptical reviews]

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